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I am reminded of discussions about how "credit card companies will soon know exactly what we all eat and be able to predict our health because of it" where peop

by Mz 9y ago

I am reminded of discussions about how "credit card companies will soon know exactly what we all eat and be able to predict our health because of it" where people rebutted that with "I pay cash for most of my produce at the local farmer's market." There are people who aren't into porn at all. Porn watching tells you something about people who watch porn. It may tell you nothing at all about actual sex lives. As I understand it, most porn is consumed alone, as a substitute for sex with a partner. What people seek out under such circumstances may not be that representative of what works for them in a relationship.

passivepinetree 9y ago
What source do you have for "most porn is consumed as a substitute for sex with a partner?" That seems like a pretty big assertion and I'm inclined to disagree, but I'd like to hear your argument/reasoning/sources.
- Mz 9y ago
  I did preface it with "As I understand it." If you have a study or something that says otherwise, feel free to link it. That is my general impression as a human being who reads stuff online and talks to people and has had a sex life. (Edit: And spent 3.5 years in therapy for childhood sexual abuse and read a TON of books and articles on the subject because of it and, thus, tends to attract weird conversations from all kinds of people of various genders, sexual orientations, etc.)
  - alex_anglin 9y ago
    Do the people you talk to discuss their porn habits? I'd venture to say that much is unknown, beyond sources such as google searches, about most societies porn habits as it's a taboo topic of discussion and research. Your comments paint with a very broad brush. A counter argument would come in the cases [1][2] of studies that had to be abandoned because of a lack of participants who did not consume it. [1] http://www.upi.com/Study-stymied-by-lack-of-porn-newbies/40171259794963/ http://www.upi.com/Study-stymied-by-lack-of-porn-newbies/401... [2] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261377/Porn-study-scrapped-researchers-failed-ANY-20-males-hadn-t-watched-it.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261377/Porn-study-s...
    - Mz 9y ago
      Do the people you talk to discuss their porn habits? In some cases, yes. studies that had to be abandoned because of a lack of participants who did not consume it. Given that my original assertion is that some people are not consumers of porn, your "rebuttal" seems rather strange.
    - xxSparkleSxx 9y ago
      >Do the people you talk to discuss their porn habits? I talk to friends about porn habits, have shared good links with friends before too. The reason I am inclined to believe that most porn is consumed alone is that in my anecdotal experience people broach the subject of watching porn with their SO as though it's a bit taboo, though they will freely admit to watching it alone. And in my own experiences, 99.9% of porn I have consumed has been on my own with only .1% consumed with a partner.
- adjkant 9y ago
  If you're inclined to disagree, how do you see it being consumed? As far as I know from my own experience, the vast majority of porn is consumed alone. I took that to be equivalent with the quoted section because I'm guessing most watching porn would also prefer sex with someone. It seems like your point is semantics to me unless you do truly believe that most porn is not consumed alone, in which case I'm really interested why you think that.
  - hn_throwaway_99 9y ago
    What? I know lots of couples, gay and straight, that watch porn together. "I'm guessing most watching porn would also prefer sex with someone." That is also a bizarre assumption to make. Sure, perhaps in theory, but a lot of married people watch porn who like to fantasize but have no desire to cheat, lots of people watch porn who definitely don't want to have to deal with all the unfortunate risks (STDs, unwanted pregnancies, crazy exes) of actual sex.
    - adjkant 9y ago
      A lot of couples don't watch porn together though. Lots of couples watching porn together does not mean they are the majority. I don't see how the second in bizarre either. A majority is not the same as all here either. Married people can also watch porn when their partner is not in the mood, even when they would prefer sex. I'm not denying all of the cases you listed exist, only that they are not a majority of porn usage. I feel very confident assuming that there are lots of single people ages 15-30 watching porn alone and who would prefer sex, and that demographic alone would make up 50% at least.
  - nailer 9y ago
    Alone, but not as a substitute for sex. People have partners, porn offers them an experience of being with someone else without cheating or leaving their partner.
int_19h 9y ago
> As I understand it, most porn is consumed alone, as a substitute for sex with a partner. That is not actually the case. People in relationships watch porn a lot, and sometimes they even do it together.
- Mz 9y ago
  Your reply makes little sense. Consuming porn alone does not mean you are not in a relationship. "Sometimes they even do it together" is a weird way to end a suggestion that people are mostly not consuming porn alone. Are they or are they not mostly (more than half the time) consuming it together?
  - int_19h 9y ago
    I misunderstood your comment - I thought you implied that people mostly consume porn when they're not in a relationship.

by Mz 9y ago

passivepinetree 9y ago

What source do you have for "most porn is consumed as a substitute for sex with a partner?" That seems like a pretty big assertion and I'm inclined to disagree, but I'd like to hear your argument/reasoning/sources.

Mz 9y ago
I did preface it with "As I understand it." If you have a study or something that says otherwise, feel free to link it. That is my general impression as a human being who reads stuff online and talks to people and has had a sex life. (Edit: And spent 3.5 years in therapy for childhood sexual abuse and read a TON of books and articles on the subject because of it and, thus, tends to attract weird conversations from all kinds of people of various genders, sexual orientations, etc.)
- alex_anglin 9y ago
  Do the people you talk to discuss their porn habits? I'd venture to say that much is unknown, beyond sources such as google searches, about most societies porn habits as it's a taboo topic of discussion and research. Your comments paint with a very broad brush. A counter argument would come in the cases [1][2] of studies that had to be abandoned because of a lack of participants who did not consume it. [1] http://www.upi.com/Study-stymied-by-lack-of-porn-newbies/40171259794963/ http://www.upi.com/Study-stymied-by-lack-of-porn-newbies/401... [2] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261377/Porn-study-scrapped-researchers-failed-ANY-20-males-hadn-t-watched-it.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261377/Porn-study-s...
  - Mz 9y ago
    Do the people you talk to discuss their porn habits? In some cases, yes. studies that had to be abandoned because of a lack of participants who did not consume it. Given that my original assertion is that some people are not consumers of porn, your "rebuttal" seems rather strange.
  - xxSparkleSxx 9y ago
    >Do the people you talk to discuss their porn habits? I talk to friends about porn habits, have shared good links with friends before too. The reason I am inclined to believe that most porn is consumed alone is that in my anecdotal experience people broach the subject of watching porn with their SO as though it's a bit taboo, though they will freely admit to watching it alone. And in my own experiences, 99.9% of porn I have consumed has been on my own with only .1% consumed with a partner.
adjkant 9y ago
If you're inclined to disagree, how do you see it being consumed? As far as I know from my own experience, the vast majority of porn is consumed alone. I took that to be equivalent with the quoted section because I'm guessing most watching porn would also prefer sex with someone. It seems like your point is semantics to me unless you do truly believe that most porn is not consumed alone, in which case I'm really interested why you think that.
- hn_throwaway_99 9y ago
  What? I know lots of couples, gay and straight, that watch porn together. "I'm guessing most watching porn would also prefer sex with someone." That is also a bizarre assumption to make. Sure, perhaps in theory, but a lot of married people watch porn who like to fantasize but have no desire to cheat, lots of people watch porn who definitely don't want to have to deal with all the unfortunate risks (STDs, unwanted pregnancies, crazy exes) of actual sex.
  - adjkant 9y ago
    A lot of couples don't watch porn together though. Lots of couples watching porn together does not mean they are the majority. I don't see how the second in bizarre either. A majority is not the same as all here either. Married people can also watch porn when their partner is not in the mood, even when they would prefer sex. I'm not denying all of the cases you listed exist, only that they are not a majority of porn usage. I feel very confident assuming that there are lots of single people ages 15-30 watching porn alone and who would prefer sex, and that demographic alone would make up 50% at least.
- nailer 9y ago
  Alone, but not as a substitute for sex. People have partners, porn offers them an experience of being with someone else without cheating or leaving their partner.

int_19h 9y ago

> As I understand it, most porn is consumed alone, as a substitute for sex with a partner. That is not actually the case. People in relationships watch porn a lot, and sometimes they even do it together.

Mz 9y ago
Your reply makes little sense. Consuming porn alone does not mean you are not in a relationship. "Sometimes they even do it together" is a weird way to end a suggestion that people are mostly not consuming porn alone. Are they or are they not mostly (more than half the time) consuming it together?
- int_19h 9y ago
  I misunderstood your comment - I thought you implied that people mostly consume porn when they're not in a relationship.