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I guess you need to decide what is important to you. For example, a few years ago, this was published [0]: > One of the most contentious issues in the vast lit

I guess you need to decide what is important to you. For example, a few years ago, this was published [0]: > One of the most contentious issues in the vast literature about alcohol consumption has been the consistent finding that those who don't drink tend to die sooner than those who do http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2017200,00.html http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2017200...

prodmerc 9y ago
Well, that makes sense. It reduces stress for a while and postpones suicides.
- DanBC 9y ago
  Alcohol drastically increases suicide rates and self harm rates. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jayne_Cooper/publication/8053710_Suicide_After_Deliberate_Self-Harm_A_4-Year_Cohort_Study/links/09e415087b907a2b13000000.pdf https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jayne_Cooper/publicatio... > Conclusions: The results highlight the importance in a suicide prevention strategy of early intervention after an episode of self-harm. Treatment should include attention to physical illness, alcohol problems, and living circumstances. Self-harm appears to confer a particularly high risk of suicide in female patients. http://research.bmh.manchester.ac.uk/cmhs/research/centreforsuicideprevention/nci/reports/2016-report.pdf http://research.bmh.manchester.ac.uk/cmhs/research/centrefor... > 11. Over half the patients who died by suicide had a history of alcohol or drug misuse. There were national differences, with alcohol misuse a more common antecedent of suicide in Scotland and Northern Ireland, drug misuse more common in Scotland. However, a much smaller group was in contact with specialist substance misuse services
  - delazeur 9y ago
    Your claim would be supported by evidence that the population of drinkers has higher suicide rates than the population of non-drinkers, which is notably different than evidence that people who commit suicide are likely to be drinkers.
  - prodmerc 9y ago
    Alcoholism (abuse/misuse/problems) increases suicide rates. As does caffeine overconsumption, which makes me want to punch those "caffeinated as fuck" T-shirt wearing (but against cannabis or amphetamines) people in the face.
gozur88 9y ago
It's a safer bet that healthy people are more likely to be moderate drinkers than it is to assume moderate drinking will extend your life.
- JamesBarney 9y ago
  Why is that a safer bet when randomized control trials with animals finds the same thing?
  - gozur88 9y ago
    Do they? What studies?
- intro-b 9y ago
  I wonder if there's also a social component with moderate drinking along with other factors; being able to enjoy drinks with colleagues after work or catch up with friends at a bar are culturally acceptable activities that seem to align with the relationship between a close social circle and longevity/health, especially amongst middle age and older adults.
  - gozur88 9y ago
    Here again, though, you have the same correlation/causation problem. People without a close social circle may not have one because they're too sick to get out much, or they're on a drug regimen that makes them drowsy or grouchy.
DanBC 9y ago
A lot of that article is bullshit. In particular the study it refers to has been debunked a few times. Here's one, but there are many others: https://psmag.com/social-justice/put-down-the-booze-drinking-may-not-be-good-for-you https://psmag.com/social-justice/put-down-the-booze-drinking...

prodmerc 9y ago

Well, that makes sense. It reduces stress for a while and postpones suicides.

DanBC 9y ago
Alcohol drastically increases suicide rates and self harm rates. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jayne_Cooper/publication/8053710_Suicide_After_Deliberate_Self-Harm_A_4-Year_Cohort_Study/links/09e415087b907a2b13000000.pdf https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jayne_Cooper/publicatio... > Conclusions: The results highlight the importance in a suicide prevention strategy of early intervention after an episode of self-harm. Treatment should include attention to physical illness, alcohol problems, and living circumstances. Self-harm appears to confer a particularly high risk of suicide in female patients. http://research.bmh.manchester.ac.uk/cmhs/research/centreforsuicideprevention/nci/reports/2016-report.pdf http://research.bmh.manchester.ac.uk/cmhs/research/centrefor... > 11. Over half the patients who died by suicide had a history of alcohol or drug misuse. There were national differences, with alcohol misuse a more common antecedent of suicide in Scotland and Northern Ireland, drug misuse more common in Scotland. However, a much smaller group was in contact with specialist substance misuse services
- delazeur 9y ago
  Your claim would be supported by evidence that the population of drinkers has higher suicide rates than the population of non-drinkers, which is notably different than evidence that people who commit suicide are likely to be drinkers.
- prodmerc 9y ago
  Alcoholism (abuse/misuse/problems) increases suicide rates. As does caffeine overconsumption, which makes me want to punch those "caffeinated as fuck" T-shirt wearing (but against cannabis or amphetamines) people in the face.

gozur88 9y ago

It's a safer bet that healthy people are more likely to be moderate drinkers than it is to assume moderate drinking will extend your life.

JamesBarney 9y ago
Why is that a safer bet when randomized control trials with animals finds the same thing?
- gozur88 9y ago
  Do they? What studies?
intro-b 9y ago
I wonder if there's also a social component with moderate drinking along with other factors; being able to enjoy drinks with colleagues after work or catch up with friends at a bar are culturally acceptable activities that seem to align with the relationship between a close social circle and longevity/health, especially amongst middle age and older adults.
- gozur88 9y ago
  Here again, though, you have the same correlation/causation problem. People without a close social circle may not have one because they're too sick to get out much, or they're on a drug regimen that makes them drowsy or grouchy.

DanBC 9y ago

A lot of that article is bullshit. In particular the study it refers to has been debunked a few times. Here's one, but there are many others: https://psmag.com/social-justice/put-down-the-booze-drinking-may-not-be-good-for-you https://psmag.com/social-justice/put-down-the-booze-drinking...