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tptacek 9y ago
Don't comment like that here: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=author:dang%20astroturf&sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=author:dang%20astroturf&sort=b...
- notadoc 9y ago
  It was mostly a joke, but I get your point and it's fair enough. Here is some interesting reading instead: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045%2815%2970134-8/abstract http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-20... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4756530/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4756530/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25801782/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25801782/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=glyphosate+cancer https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=glyphosate+cancer http://www.nytimes.com/1991/09/04/us/lawn-herbicide-called-cancer-risk-for-dogs.html http://www.nytimes.com/1991/09/04/us/lawn-herbicide-called-c... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22222006 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22222006 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=2%2C4-D+cancer https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=2%2C4-D+cancer
  - tptacek 9y ago
    It's not a joke. It's like the 4th comment you've posted on this thread claiming that people who disagree with you must be paid shills. As for your links: the ones actually about glyphosate are all based on IARC's assessment, which the WHO was later forced to walk back (see upthread). The remainder are about herbicides that aren't glyphosate. Nobody is arguing that all herbicides are safe. The discussion is about whether glyphosate is a human carcinogen. The evidence suggests: probably not.
    - notadoc 9y ago
      (nevermind)
      - tptacek 9y ago
        No, I just know how to read an abstract.
        notadoc 9y ago
        Well there are several hundred abstracts referenced in those links, some of which may surprise you. There's a lot of interesting information out there.
      - hcurtiss 9y ago
        Commonly? 2,4-D is a selective herbicide, and glyphosate is not. In most circumstances, adding 2,4-D to glyphosate would be burning money. And if you're going to target broadleafs, you would not, of course, add glyphosate. They're rarely used together. And even if they were commonly mixed, is your argument really that the carcinogenicity of one should be attributed to the other?
        notadoc 9y ago
        I'm always amazed at the level of specific knowledge people have on random topics on hackernews, it's why this is one of the best discussion communities online. (nevermind) (nevermind) (nevermind)
        hcurtiss 9y ago
        While Enlist blends the two, 2,4-D resistant GMOs are brand new and still rarely used. I'm not as familiar with the toxicity/carcinogenicity of 2,4-D, but I think it's fair to confine this conversation to the carcinogenicity of glyphosate as that's the focus of the CA proposal.
dang 9y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14646002 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14646002 and marked it off-topic.
- notadoc 9y ago
  OK, I'll just delete the comments if they're too controversial or something. I'm a little confused as to why it's off topic though.

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Don't comment like that here: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=author:dang%20astroturf&sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=author:dang%20astroturf&sort=b...

notadoc 9y ago
It was mostly a joke, but I get your point and it's fair enough. Here is some interesting reading instead: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045%2815%2970134-8/abstract http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-20... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4756530/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4756530/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25801782/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25801782/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=glyphosate+cancer https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=glyphosate+cancer http://www.nytimes.com/1991/09/04/us/lawn-herbicide-called-cancer-risk-for-dogs.html http://www.nytimes.com/1991/09/04/us/lawn-herbicide-called-c... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22222006 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22222006 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=2%2C4-D+cancer https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=2%2C4-D+cancer
- tptacek 9y ago
  It's not a joke. It's like the 4th comment you've posted on this thread claiming that people who disagree with you must be paid shills. As for your links: the ones actually about glyphosate are all based on IARC's assessment, which the WHO was later forced to walk back (see upthread). The remainder are about herbicides that aren't glyphosate. Nobody is arguing that all herbicides are safe. The discussion is about whether glyphosate is a human carcinogen. The evidence suggests: probably not.
  - notadoc 9y ago
    (nevermind)
    - tptacek 9y ago
      No, I just know how to read an abstract.
      - notadoc 9y ago
        Well there are several hundred abstracts referenced in those links, some of which may surprise you. There's a lot of interesting information out there.
    - hcurtiss 9y ago
      Commonly? 2,4-D is a selective herbicide, and glyphosate is not. In most circumstances, adding 2,4-D to glyphosate would be burning money. And if you're going to target broadleafs, you would not, of course, add glyphosate. They're rarely used together. And even if they were commonly mixed, is your argument really that the carcinogenicity of one should be attributed to the other?
      - notadoc 9y ago
        I'm always amazed at the level of specific knowledge people have on random topics on hackernews, it's why this is one of the best discussion communities online. (nevermind) (nevermind) (nevermind)
        hcurtiss 9y ago
        While Enlist blends the two, 2,4-D resistant GMOs are brand new and still rarely used. I'm not as familiar with the toxicity/carcinogenicity of 2,4-D, but I think it's fair to confine this conversation to the carcinogenicity of glyphosate as that's the focus of the CA proposal.

dang 9y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14646002 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14646002 and marked it off-topic.

notadoc 9y ago
OK, I'll just delete the comments if they're too controversial or something. I'm a little confused as to why it's off topic though.