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what would be a "socially acceptable" counter-measure to getting your face scanned randomly out in public?

SOLAR_FIELDS 9y ago
Purportedly there are non-obvious sunglasses/frames that attempt to make it more difficult for such scanners to operate. The success rate of these devices ranges from "not at all" to "seems to work".
921837192391 9y ago
Institute and promote a brown-paper-bag day, where the citizens (or should I say subjects) wear paper bags over their heads outside. Better, do it all year long.
knob 9y ago
This is an interesting link: http://gajitz.com/about-face-defeat-face-recognition-software-with-makeup/ http://gajitz.com/about-face-defeat-face-recognition-softwar...
nyolfen 9y ago
a visor with (very, very) bright IR LEDs over your face could hide you from camera sensors; i've seen something like this used to defeat license plate scanners, and i know that LEDs have greatly improved power efficiency in the last decade, but i don't have any experience in this kind of thing. maybe someone can pick up this idea and run with it if it's feasible. this wouldn't defeat something like gait detection though: http://www.geradts.com/html/Documents/gait.htm http://www.geradts.com/html/Documents/gait.htm
- swiley 9y ago
  Do remember IR can damage your (and other's) retina even though it can be hard to see.
verroq 9y ago
I am sure the camera would detect a person with an unreadable face and alert the cops or something
blackbagboys 9y ago
Depending on the details of how the system is used and the availability of political remedies (or lack thereof), I think direct action would be justified.
xkcd-sucks 9y ago
A particulate filter mask, maybe combined with a cheap plastic sunshade visor?
balls187 9y ago
Be a female muslim who chooses to wear a burka.
- bvi 9y ago
  ...until gait analysis is incorporated. [1] https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528835-600-cameras-know-you-by-your-walk/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528835-600-cameras-... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3925574/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3925574/ [3] http://www.ai.mit.edu/research/abstracts/abstracts2001/vision-applied-to-people/06lee.pdf http://www.ai.mit.edu/research/abstracts/abstracts2001/visio...
  - sangnoir 9y ago
    Confound gait analysis by putting a pebble[1] in one of your shoes. 1. A character in a Cory Doctorow novel does this for the same reason.I can't remember which novel though.
honestoHeminway 9y ago
Decentralized observation, citizens watching citizens, citizens watching the powers that be- and if necessary decentralized anti-terrorism surveilance. That is acceptable.

Purportedly there are non-obvious sunglasses/frames that attempt to make it more difficult for such scanners to operate. The success rate of these devices ranges from "not at all" to "seems to work".

921837192391 9y ago

Institute and promote a brown-paper-bag day, where the citizens (or should I say subjects) wear paper bags over their heads outside. Better, do it all year long.

knob 9y ago

This is an interesting link: http://gajitz.com/about-face-defeat-face-recognition-software-with-makeup/ http://gajitz.com/about-face-defeat-face-recognition-softwar...

nyolfen 9y ago

a visor with (very, very) bright IR LEDs over your face could hide you from camera sensors; i've seen something like this used to defeat license plate scanners, and i know that LEDs have greatly improved power efficiency in the last decade, but i don't have any experience in this kind of thing. maybe someone can pick up this idea and run with it if it's feasible. this wouldn't defeat something like gait detection though: http://www.geradts.com/html/Documents/gait.htm http://www.geradts.com/html/Documents/gait.htm

swiley 9y ago
Do remember IR can damage your (and other's) retina even though it can be hard to see.

verroq 9y ago

I am sure the camera would detect a person with an unreadable face and alert the cops or something

blackbagboys 9y ago

Depending on the details of how the system is used and the availability of political remedies (or lack thereof), I think direct action would be justified.

xkcd-sucks 9y ago

A particulate filter mask, maybe combined with a cheap plastic sunshade visor?

balls187 9y ago

Be a female muslim who chooses to wear a burka.

bvi 9y ago
...until gait analysis is incorporated. [1] https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528835-600-cameras-know-you-by-your-walk/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528835-600-cameras-... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3925574/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3925574/ [3] http://www.ai.mit.edu/research/abstracts/abstracts2001/vision-applied-to-people/06lee.pdf http://www.ai.mit.edu/research/abstracts/abstracts2001/visio...
- sangnoir 9y ago
  Confound gait analysis by putting a pebble[1] in one of your shoes. 1. A character in a Cory Doctorow novel does this for the same reason.I can't remember which novel though.

honestoHeminway 9y ago

Decentralized observation, citizens watching citizens, citizens watching the powers that be- and if necessary decentralized anti-terrorism surveilance. That is acceptable.