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These are good points. In my experience other platforms have the same tooling as JS has been getting over the past few years. Look at Android for comparison:

by brad0 9y ago

These are good points. In my experience other platforms have the same tooling as JS has been getting over the past few years. Look at Android for comparison: - ReactJS: React Native, also any overall architecture like MVVM or MVP. - ES2015/ES7: JDK 7/8 - Transpilers: Kotlin - Minifiers/packers: proguard and others - Gulp and co.: gradle - Other libraries: android has a number of libraries to handle network requests, image loading, animations etc. What I'm trying to put across is that JS has transitioned from a language that would show and hide elements of the DOM to a serious language used everywhere. A good developer takes the time to understand the tooling around their platform and language.

RonanTheGrey 9y ago
There's a very good point here - JS is being used for way more than just showing and hiding DOM elements anymore. It is becoming a full application language, and to that end requires the features that full application development requires, not just on frontend, but in Node as well. I have just inherited a project written in 100% ES5 and I had forgotten how obscenely verbose JS <= ES5 really was. Every extra line of code is a liability and will slow down app development. Language features support precision and conciseness and that in turn promotes enterprise-level development. A toy language (old JS) can never support a full in-browser application.