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Recently EU parliament voted to introduce visas for US citizens due to unequal treatment of EU countries. "About fing time", I though. Few months pass and I rea
by GreaterFool 9y ago
Recently EU parliament voted to introduce visas for US citizens due to unequal treatment of EU countries. "About fing time", I though. Few months pass and I read that EU Commission will do nothing*. I hate those bureaucrats in the EU.
EU should retaliate (not of malice, just to force equal treatment). It's not a visa waiver if you can be denied entry so easily, as many people are. And of course not all EU countries are eligible.
- jagermo 9y agoI understand your sentiment and the reaction. But I think it would be wrong to have an eye-for-eye-approach. US Citizens should see, how easy it can be to travel to a country, without jumping through hoops like ESTA. They should feel wrong why they force it onto others but enjoy the freedom to travel easily. Otherwise nothing will change. It's easy to start a "oh, they do it to us, let's annoy them even more" spiral and that would really, really suck.
- mclightning 9y ago> "US Citizens should see, how easy it can be to travel to a country, without jumping through hoops like ESTA." They have been seeing it all this time, yet this is what you get.
- pas 9y agoChange takes time. It's a complex problem deeply rooted in fear, mongered by people who now successfully occupied the White House. In the mean time, I agree, probably a simpler yet more aggressive tit-for-tat approach would be more fruitful.
- GreaterFool 9y agoNothing has been done about unequal treatment of EU countries in the past decade. Don't you think this is long overdue? For EU it should be a matter of principle and backbone. They simply don't have them. EU has proven several times that they will look the other way as long as it benefits larger members.
- pas 9y agoAgreed. I think the prime example of this is the common energy policy, that then Germany regularly fucks up with the OPAL pipeline deals with Putin.
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- saiya-jin 9y agothis is not eye-for-an-eye, it is fair and equal treatment. if that somebody is behaving like an asshole, most people including me will not just keep pardoning that somebody forever with big smile on our faces. this is how law works, this is how companies, states and societies work.
- chippy 9y agoI agree about not participating in eye-for-an-eye. However I disagree that the US Citzens will percieve their smooth entry experiences with reported obstructive from others. Mainly because most people don't hear about such things, that such events are relatively rare, and that they happen to The Other (literally foreigners). In other words, we shouldn't only expect to rely on the guilt of having a pain free experience to make different others have less pain. I'm not sure how one can improve things, but if it gets worse, they should notice things when conference delegates are barred from attending.
- Aissen 9y agoI wish they would retaliate, but do not assume they don't do anything. They killed the "no battery devices in cabin" policy in less than two weeks.
- feborges 9y agoBrazil has a mirror policy with the US when it comes to Visas.
- djrogers 9y ago> It's not a visa waiver if you can be denied entry so easily, as many people are. I'm not sure that 700 out of 1.2Million qualifies as 'many people'. Of course there's no way of knowing how many of those 700 are mistakes, but even if they all are (as I'd be more than willing to believe - government employees aren't high on my list), that's only a 0.06% error rate... [1]