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I will let you know why, but it will cost me karma and likely start another penis waving contest: it is a Chicago thing. Chicagoans (who live there) cannot st

I will let you know why, but it will cost me karma and likely start another penis waving contest: it is a Chicago thing. Chicagoans (who live there) cannot stop talking about how great Chicago is. And it's a zero sum game. Chicago can't just be great on it's own... your town has to SUCK in comparison. No other other town has this problem. Even New Yorkers can admit that New York sucks from time to time, or will say that Miami is nice in the winter. No Chicagoan will ever say anything good about another city without also mentioning why Chicago is better. And you're lucky to get even that. Usually they will just tell you why where you live sucks. -Signed, someone born and partially raised in Chicago and glad I don't live there.

tptacek 16y ago
It is so. much. better. than other US cities, though! Seriously, though: (1) People either love or hate NYC, and they love or hate SoCal. They love or don't care about Chicago. It's a biased signal. (2) Chicago is the closest thing in the US you can get to NYC if you want "major urban center", "top population center", and can't actually deal with NYC. That's me. I can't deal with NYC, but I appreciate what everyone else does in NYC, and Chicago has 80% of that. This would be "just another thing people who like Chicago say about Chicago" except that "proximity to the NYC experience" is a huge deal for city lovers. (3) People, especially tech people, underappreciate just how small San Francisco, Seattle, Austin, Portland, and even Greater Boston are. I say that not to put Chicago on a level above them, but instead to note that those cities have fewer boosters just statistically. (4) That said, most of the "Chicago is amazing" stuff comes out in conversations with NYC-ers and SF-ers, and we tend to concede that, say, Portland is a nice place to live too. Oh, and by the way? We didn't bring Chicago into this. That original douchey blog post did, with its commentary about how everyone in the third largest metro area in the country "works for or knows someone who works for the parks district". But now you know why 'tptacek thinks Chicagoans act like that.
- starkfist 16y ago
  See what I mean?
  - tptacek 16y ago
    I'm imagining you hitting refresh waiting for the first reply to CTR-V that into. ;)
    - starkfist 16y ago
      It's a slow evening with high chance of thunderstorms...
      - tptacek 16y ago
        Seriously, I hear this all the time about Chicagoans, and easy as it would be to just take it as a compliment about the city and get on with my life... don't you think maybe there's a reason why Chicago generates this reaction? Please note: I'm trying to give you reasons that don't just devolve to "it's because Chicago is so awesome". I'm saying, "deceptively huge number of people, not polarizing, and the largest genuine urban experience outside of NYC".
        starkfist 16y ago
        Yes, I am sure there are reasons why Chicago generates this reaction.
        tptacek 16y ago
        You just think one of them is "inferiority complex". =)
        Yoonka 16y ago
        Seriously dude, your mama is fat. :-P
  - Yoonka 16y ago
    C'mon. Someone calls your mama fat and it's bad to disagree?
wglb 16y ago
This begins to remind me of a Mike Royko column written in 1989, in which he answers criticism of Chicago by not one but two SF columnists: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=19891007&id=doYfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nM4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6689,3149370 http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=19891007&... I do like Chicago (if one must be in cities, and apparently it is a requirement). I say this as a transplant from growing up 6 miles outside of a town of 6000. I would think that most Chicagoans think that would suck, but then most people would. I do like San Francisco as well. And Portland. The size of Chicago is missed by many, in particular, the size of the tech community. At one point, I tallied over 100 consulting (or more properly contracting) firms servicing the likes of Motorola, Allstate, Sears, Standard Oil, and the like. If you want to measure sophistication, there are more jobs in certain areas of the financial sector than in any other city. There is likely a broader range of technical talent as well. But I just don't get this park district thing.
- tptacek 16y ago
  "... although butts would seem an inappropriate subject to be broached by a San Franciscan ..." How can anyone not miss this guy?
  - Yoonka 16y ago
    Seriously! I hadn't seen this article before... Brilliant! I get the sports thing. Thank god for the Sox or half of our city would've killed themselves by now (yes I love the Cubbies too and hope they take the pennant someday really soon! - Go Cubbies!) but why the heck do we get this guff?
Yoonka 16y ago
As I said in my post, I thought Scott's post was great until he went after Chicago. I agree it's a Chicago thing. We're a proud folk. We get angry, but I've never seen a post from Chicago bashing other places. It's clear Portland, Seattle, New York, Austin, and "the bay area" (really all cities) have great things going for them. Why is it we seem to be the city to bash? I'm sore, sure, but this has been going in for a long time. In a post in 2007 I highlighted a presentation series, my partner Lance was giving to overcome the perception that real art doesn't happen here. http://spill.tanagram.com/2007/03/28/the-city-that-works/ http://spill.tanagram.com/2007/03/28/the-city-that-works/ I mean we have 5+ colleges here -one of them Ivy league - and still it seems that nothing good comes from Chicago? Scott Wilson, UIC grad and amazing industrial designer is based here but he has a Portland office for credibility (he would say that flat out). His company is famous for the Microsoft Kin, Tons of XBOX stuff, Nike plus, and the mythical "courier." http://www.MNML.com http://www.MNML.com. Did you know that? This, to me, isn't a penis waving contest. It's a brilliant neglected child learning to tell the world that she matters.
Yoonka 16y ago
Why are you glad you don't live here? Just curious.

tptacek 16y ago

It is so. much. better. than other US cities, though! Seriously, though: (1) People either love or hate NYC, and they love or hate SoCal. They love or don't care about Chicago. It's a biased signal. (2) Chicago is the closest thing in the US you can get to NYC if you want "major urban center", "top population center", and can't actually deal with NYC. That's me. I can't deal with NYC, but I appreciate what everyone else does in NYC, and Chicago has 80% of that. This would be "just another thing people who like Chicago say about Chicago" except that "proximity to the NYC experience" is a huge deal for city lovers. (3) People, especially tech people, underappreciate just how small San Francisco, Seattle, Austin, Portland, and even Greater Boston are. I say that not to put Chicago on a level above them, but instead to note that those cities have fewer boosters just statistically. (4) That said, most of the "Chicago is amazing" stuff comes out in conversations with NYC-ers and SF-ers, and we tend to concede that, say, Portland is a nice place to live too. Oh, and by the way? We didn't bring Chicago into this. That original douchey blog post did, with its commentary about how everyone in the third largest metro area in the country "works for or knows someone who works for the parks district". But now you know why 'tptacek thinks Chicagoans act like that.

starkfist 16y ago
See what I mean?
- tptacek 16y ago
  I'm imagining you hitting refresh waiting for the first reply to CTR-V that into. ;)
  - starkfist 16y ago
    It's a slow evening with high chance of thunderstorms...
    - tptacek 16y ago
      Seriously, I hear this all the time about Chicagoans, and easy as it would be to just take it as a compliment about the city and get on with my life... don't you think maybe there's a reason why Chicago generates this reaction? Please note: I'm trying to give you reasons that don't just devolve to "it's because Chicago is so awesome". I'm saying, "deceptively huge number of people, not polarizing, and the largest genuine urban experience outside of NYC".
      - starkfist 16y ago
        Yes, I am sure there are reasons why Chicago generates this reaction.
        tptacek 16y ago
        You just think one of them is "inferiority complex". =)
        Yoonka 16y ago
        Seriously dude, your mama is fat. :-P
- Yoonka 16y ago
  C'mon. Someone calls your mama fat and it's bad to disagree?

wglb 16y ago

This begins to remind me of a Mike Royko column written in 1989, in which he answers criticism of Chicago by not one but two SF columnists: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=19891007&id=doYfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nM4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6689,3149370 http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=19891007&... I do like Chicago (if one must be in cities, and apparently it is a requirement). I say this as a transplant from growing up 6 miles outside of a town of 6000. I would think that most Chicagoans think that would suck, but then most people would. I do like San Francisco as well. And Portland. The size of Chicago is missed by many, in particular, the size of the tech community. At one point, I tallied over 100 consulting (or more properly contracting) firms servicing the likes of Motorola, Allstate, Sears, Standard Oil, and the like. If you want to measure sophistication, there are more jobs in certain areas of the financial sector than in any other city. There is likely a broader range of technical talent as well. But I just don't get this park district thing.

tptacek 16y ago
"... although butts would seem an inappropriate subject to be broached by a San Franciscan ..." How can anyone not miss this guy?
- Yoonka 16y ago
  Seriously! I hadn't seen this article before... Brilliant! I get the sports thing. Thank god for the Sox or half of our city would've killed themselves by now (yes I love the Cubbies too and hope they take the pennant someday really soon! - Go Cubbies!) but why the heck do we get this guff?

Yoonka 16y ago

As I said in my post, I thought Scott's post was great until he went after Chicago. I agree it's a Chicago thing. We're a proud folk. We get angry, but I've never seen a post from Chicago bashing other places. It's clear Portland, Seattle, New York, Austin, and "the bay area" (really all cities) have great things going for them. Why is it we seem to be the city to bash? I'm sore, sure, but this has been going in for a long time. In a post in 2007 I highlighted a presentation series, my partner Lance was giving to overcome the perception that real art doesn't happen here. http://spill.tanagram.com/2007/03/28/the-city-that-works/ http://spill.tanagram.com/2007/03/28/the-city-that-works/ I mean we have 5+ colleges here -one of them Ivy league - and still it seems that nothing good comes from Chicago? Scott Wilson, UIC grad and amazing industrial designer is based here but he has a Portland office for credibility (he would say that flat out). His company is famous for the Microsoft Kin, Tons of XBOX stuff, Nike plus, and the mythical "courier." http://www.MNML.com http://www.MNML.com. Did you know that? This, to me, isn't a penis waving contest. It's a brilliant neglected child learning to tell the world that she matters.

Yoonka 16y ago

Why are you glad you don't live here? Just curious.