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The idea that the iPhone is some also-ran in the camera department is laughable. Anandtech iPhone 7/+ review, summary of camera: I would say that the iPhone 7

by Steko 9y ago

The idea that the iPhone is some also-ran in the camera department is laughable. Anandtech iPhone 7/+ review, summary of camera: I would say that the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus could both use a bump in sensor size to really be the best in all situations, but as-is they’re the most well-rounded for stills even if the HTC 10 can definitely produce better images in a number of scenarios... In video capture there’s almost no competition... http://www.anandtech.com/show/10685/the-iphone-7-and-iphone-7-plus-review/10 http://www.anandtech.com/show/10685/the-iphone-7-and-iphone-...

bitmapbrother 9y ago
I didn't say the iPhone camera is some also-ran. It's still a very good camera (these phones all use the same Sony sensors for the most part so it all comes down to processing). I simply said that it's not considered the best camera anymore and that it has been repeatedly surpassed by Android phones. Android phones are now the kings of the smartphone world. The DXOMark rankings say it all and there's a lot of Android phones ahead of the iPhone. Regardless of what you think of the DXOMark rankings, the reviews of each of these high ranked Android phone camera's already support the DXOMark rankings.
- Tanegashima 9y ago
  > the DXOMark rankings Paid advertising.
- Steko 9y ago
  > Android phones are now the kings of the smartphone world. Citation needed. There's a lot of good phones on the market but the iPhone is still as good as anything - best OS, best CPU, tier 1 battery life/GPU/camera screen. The first phone to consistently beat it in ratings over nearly a decade was the Note 7 and we all saw how that turned out and the mere fact that Samsung drops all their plans and engineers around Apple's leaks should be enough to tell you who the king is. > The DXOMark rankings say it all They haven't even reviewed the 7+ so no they don't say what you want them to.
  - bitmapbrother 9y ago
    >Citation needed. Sure, but this is just only of many: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J2AvHwELlc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J2AvHwELlc It's really not even a contest. Just have a look at the blind camera test done by MKBHD. The iPhone camera didn't fare too well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtmGMcMeEJE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtmGMcMeEJE >They haven't even reviewed the 7+ so no they don't say what you want them to. If they did it would still have scored below the Android phones.
    - Steko 9y ago
      > It's really not even a contest. (1) It was a contest, the iphone won in some areas and (2) you missed the companion piece [1] comparing video where the iphone won fairly handily. (3) The pixel is one phone, you keep talking about "android phones", (4) you're back to claiming the iPhone is an also ran ("not even a contest"), make up your mind where you want to put your goalposts down. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfptPhPCmAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfptPhPCmAU > If they did it would still have scored below the Android phones. I guess if you believe hard enough you don't need actual facts. Here are the facts: (1) Every year the best iPhone launches with a camera that is among if not the best in the world. (2) Last year was no exception with many reviews saying essentially the same thing: best camera on a smartphone. (3) Some android flagships have comparable cameras and these (a) usually launch a few months after the iphone, (b) sometimes beat the iphone camera in raw spec(s) but (c) despite spec advantage often aren't clearly better in still comparisons (CNET: On paper, ... camera hardware looks impressive... But when it comes to photography, the proof is in the pictures. That's something the iPhone 7 Plus proved in our tests against single-camera shooters like the Google Pixel and the Samsung Galaxy S8.) and (d) they tend to get wrecked in video comparisons. Somehow you have spun that as "Android flagships have already had the better camera's for a couple of years" and that "it's not even a contest" both of which are simply nonsense.
      - bitmapbrother 9y ago
        >It was a contest, the iphone won in some areas and (2) you missed the companion piece [1] comparing video where the iphone won fairly handily. (3) The pixel is one phone, you keep talking about "android phones", (4) you're back to claiming the iPhone is an also ran ("not even a contest"), make up your mind where you want to put your goalposts down. It would seem you're confused about the iPhone winning in some area's. Let me recap the results: 1. Pixel 2. Draw 3. iPhone 4. Pixel 5. Pixel 6. Pixel That seems very definitive to me which camera was superior. As for other Android phones, according to DXOMark there are 11 Android phones ranked higher than the iPhone 7. >Every year the best iPhone launches with a camera that is among if not the best in the world. Yes, it's among the best. It's just not the best anymore. They're now having to rely on gimmicks to differentiate themselves. >Last year was no exception with many reviews saying essentially the same thing: best camera on a smartphone. And then the Pixel launched and took the crown in many reviews that proclaimed it as the best smartphone camera in the world. >Some android flagships have comparable cameras and these (a) usually launch a few months after the iphone, (b) sometimes beat the iphone camera in raw spec(s) but (c) despite spec advantage often aren't clearly better in still comparisons Yeah, they really are better in still comparisons and especially under low light conditions. https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/29/13466786/google-pixel-photo-better-than-iphone https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/29/13466786/... >Somehow you have spun that as "Android flagships have already had the better camera's for a couple of years" and that "it's not even a contest" both of which are simply nonsense. DXOMark indicates otherwise and it shows the iPhone continuing to fall further and further in the rankings. The only nonsense here is you trying to convince yourself that the iPhone still has the better camera when countless reviews and blind tests have proven otherwise.

by Steko 9y ago

bitmapbrother 9y ago

I didn't say the iPhone camera is some also-ran. It's still a very good camera (these phones all use the same Sony sensors for the most part so it all comes down to processing). I simply said that it's not considered the best camera anymore and that it has been repeatedly surpassed by Android phones. Android phones are now the kings of the smartphone world. The DXOMark rankings say it all and there's a lot of Android phones ahead of the iPhone. Regardless of what you think of the DXOMark rankings, the reviews of each of these high ranked Android phone camera's already support the DXOMark rankings.

Tanegashima 9y ago
> the DXOMark rankings Paid advertising.
Steko 9y ago
> Android phones are now the kings of the smartphone world. Citation needed. There's a lot of good phones on the market but the iPhone is still as good as anything - best OS, best CPU, tier 1 battery life/GPU/camera screen. The first phone to consistently beat it in ratings over nearly a decade was the Note 7 and we all saw how that turned out and the mere fact that Samsung drops all their plans and engineers around Apple's leaks should be enough to tell you who the king is. > The DXOMark rankings say it all They haven't even reviewed the 7+ so no they don't say what you want them to.
- bitmapbrother 9y ago
  >Citation needed. Sure, but this is just only of many: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J2AvHwELlc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J2AvHwELlc It's really not even a contest. Just have a look at the blind camera test done by MKBHD. The iPhone camera didn't fare too well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtmGMcMeEJE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtmGMcMeEJE >They haven't even reviewed the 7+ so no they don't say what you want them to. If they did it would still have scored below the Android phones.
  - Steko 9y ago
    > It's really not even a contest. (1) It was a contest, the iphone won in some areas and (2) you missed the companion piece [1] comparing video where the iphone won fairly handily. (3) The pixel is one phone, you keep talking about "android phones", (4) you're back to claiming the iPhone is an also ran ("not even a contest"), make up your mind where you want to put your goalposts down. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfptPhPCmAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfptPhPCmAU > If they did it would still have scored below the Android phones. I guess if you believe hard enough you don't need actual facts. Here are the facts: (1) Every year the best iPhone launches with a camera that is among if not the best in the world. (2) Last year was no exception with many reviews saying essentially the same thing: best camera on a smartphone. (3) Some android flagships have comparable cameras and these (a) usually launch a few months after the iphone, (b) sometimes beat the iphone camera in raw spec(s) but (c) despite spec advantage often aren't clearly better in still comparisons (CNET: On paper, ... camera hardware looks impressive... But when it comes to photography, the proof is in the pictures. That's something the iPhone 7 Plus proved in our tests against single-camera shooters like the Google Pixel and the Samsung Galaxy S8.) and (d) they tend to get wrecked in video comparisons. Somehow you have spun that as "Android flagships have already had the better camera's for a couple of years" and that "it's not even a contest" both of which are simply nonsense.
    - bitmapbrother 9y ago
      >It was a contest, the iphone won in some areas and (2) you missed the companion piece [1] comparing video where the iphone won fairly handily. (3) The pixel is one phone, you keep talking about "android phones", (4) you're back to claiming the iPhone is an also ran ("not even a contest"), make up your mind where you want to put your goalposts down. It would seem you're confused about the iPhone winning in some area's. Let me recap the results: 1. Pixel 2. Draw 3. iPhone 4. Pixel 5. Pixel 6. Pixel That seems very definitive to me which camera was superior. As for other Android phones, according to DXOMark there are 11 Android phones ranked higher than the iPhone 7. >Every year the best iPhone launches with a camera that is among if not the best in the world. Yes, it's among the best. It's just not the best anymore. They're now having to rely on gimmicks to differentiate themselves. >Last year was no exception with many reviews saying essentially the same thing: best camera on a smartphone. And then the Pixel launched and took the crown in many reviews that proclaimed it as the best smartphone camera in the world. >Some android flagships have comparable cameras and these (a) usually launch a few months after the iphone, (b) sometimes beat the iphone camera in raw spec(s) but (c) despite spec advantage often aren't clearly better in still comparisons Yeah, they really are better in still comparisons and especially under low light conditions. https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/29/13466786/google-pixel-photo-better-than-iphone https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/29/13466786/... >Somehow you have spun that as "Android flagships have already had the better camera's for a couple of years" and that "it's not even a contest" both of which are simply nonsense. DXOMark indicates otherwise and it shows the iPhone continuing to fall further and further in the rankings. The only nonsense here is you trying to convince yourself that the iPhone still has the better camera when countless reviews and blind tests have proven otherwise.