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Interesting, the more (socially) right wing your neighbourhood is, the better the economic mobility. What gets lost in the statistics is how many people ran aw

by dade_ 9y ago

Interesting, the more (socially) right wing your neighbourhood is, the better the economic mobility. What gets lost in the statistics is how many people ran away screaming from these places and now live all over the world making far more money than their parents or neighbours dreamed of. It is interesting to run into people during Christmas and find out where they live and what they do now.

goodroot 9y ago
Nice comment. I just wanted to clarify that Canadian right-wing is much, much different than what's considered right in the US.
Tiktaalik 9y ago
How on earth was this your takeaway from the article? The impact of social political views wasn't mentioned once, and Dr. Corak clearly explains the actual reasons. Even a glance at the map disproves your point. BC outside of Vancouver and Victoria is relatively socially conservative, but it's a sea of red due to the lack of labour demand in those rural areas.
- Seanny123 9y ago
  Not to mention the Sudbury and Waterloo area which is super left-wing and unionist. I mean, anecdotal, but I feel like it's okay to counter an anecdote with an anecdote in this case? Further analysis would require access to the data being shown here and cross referencing it with the outcome of past elections.
- randomdata 9y ago
  > How on earth was this your takeaway from the article? Perhaps he looked at a map[1]? I have to admit, while there are some clear deviations, as I flip between the two images the areas with the highest mobility do seem to follow the Conservative-leaning areas. It is definitely not a perfect 1:1 mapping, but interesting nevertheless. What really stands out to me though is that the areas with arable land[2] (and oil) generally have the most mobility. Makes me wonder if the food and energy commodities boom from a few years back has skewed the numbers? [1] http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2015/10/na1020-election_map_12001.jpg?quality=75&strip=all http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2015/10/na1020-election... [2] http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/16-002-x/2015002/article/14133/map/map1-eng.jpg http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/16-002-x/2015002/article/14133/...
  - jeromegv 9y ago
    The issue is that the map doesn't account for population density. Toronto has high population density but it shows up as a very small dot compared to large country-side-right-leaning regions that will take half the territory of a province.
    - randomdata 9y ago
      I'm not sure population density matters here. The GTA clearly shows up as red on the political map and green on the mobility map. As mentioned, there are plenty of places where it does not hold true. In fact, some of the largest ridings of all (Northern Quebec, Yukon, NWT) are not Conservative leaning, yet are on the green side for mobility. But there still does seem to be a trend towards the mobile regions leaning to the right.
      - jellicle 9y ago
        The point is that that "dot" of Toronto GTA represents more human beings than all of Alberta. You're judging by "geographic space taken up". Your conclusion is actually that geographic land area leans to the right, or more prosaically, that liberals move to cities and that coincidentally, oil was found in a right-leaning province.
        randomdata 9y ago
        The original assertion referred to neighbourhoods, which do tend to grow inversely to the population density. In my experience, a resident of Toronto might consider their neighbourhood to be just a block or two. While rural residents think of their neighbourhood as a many kilometre wide radius. Census/electoral divisions are a decent proxy for what we are trying to measure here, I feel. Certainly for the medium-sized rural divisions that are most relevant to the discussion. I believe I understand what you and the parent are getting at, but it appears to be of a different discussion.
refurb 9y ago
Let me guess you grew up in a socially conservative part of Canada?
mthoms 9y ago
>Interesting, the more (socially) right wing your neighbourhood is, the better the economic mobility. Sure, if you want to completely ignore the effect of two of biggest economic developments of the past quarter century. Namely, the oil boom in (conservative) Alberta and the fisheries collapse in the (liberal) Maritimes.

by dade_ 9y ago

goodroot 9y ago

Nice comment. I just wanted to clarify that Canadian right-wing is much, much different than what's considered right in the US.

Tiktaalik 9y ago

How on earth was this your takeaway from the article? The impact of social political views wasn't mentioned once, and Dr. Corak clearly explains the actual reasons. Even a glance at the map disproves your point. BC outside of Vancouver and Victoria is relatively socially conservative, but it's a sea of red due to the lack of labour demand in those rural areas.

Seanny123 9y ago
Not to mention the Sudbury and Waterloo area which is super left-wing and unionist. I mean, anecdotal, but I feel like it's okay to counter an anecdote with an anecdote in this case? Further analysis would require access to the data being shown here and cross referencing it with the outcome of past elections.
randomdata 9y ago
> How on earth was this your takeaway from the article? Perhaps he looked at a map[1]? I have to admit, while there are some clear deviations, as I flip between the two images the areas with the highest mobility do seem to follow the Conservative-leaning areas. It is definitely not a perfect 1:1 mapping, but interesting nevertheless. What really stands out to me though is that the areas with arable land[2] (and oil) generally have the most mobility. Makes me wonder if the food and energy commodities boom from a few years back has skewed the numbers? [1] http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2015/10/na1020-election_map_12001.jpg?quality=75&strip=all http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2015/10/na1020-election... [2] http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/16-002-x/2015002/article/14133/map/map1-eng.jpg http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/16-002-x/2015002/article/14133/...
- jeromegv 9y ago
  The issue is that the map doesn't account for population density. Toronto has high population density but it shows up as a very small dot compared to large country-side-right-leaning regions that will take half the territory of a province.
  - randomdata 9y ago
    I'm not sure population density matters here. The GTA clearly shows up as red on the political map and green on the mobility map. As mentioned, there are plenty of places where it does not hold true. In fact, some of the largest ridings of all (Northern Quebec, Yukon, NWT) are not Conservative leaning, yet are on the green side for mobility. But there still does seem to be a trend towards the mobile regions leaning to the right.
    - jellicle 9y ago
      The point is that that "dot" of Toronto GTA represents more human beings than all of Alberta. You're judging by "geographic space taken up". Your conclusion is actually that geographic land area leans to the right, or more prosaically, that liberals move to cities and that coincidentally, oil was found in a right-leaning province.
      - randomdata 9y ago
        The original assertion referred to neighbourhoods, which do tend to grow inversely to the population density. In my experience, a resident of Toronto might consider their neighbourhood to be just a block or two. While rural residents think of their neighbourhood as a many kilometre wide radius. Census/electoral divisions are a decent proxy for what we are trying to measure here, I feel. Certainly for the medium-sized rural divisions that are most relevant to the discussion. I believe I understand what you and the parent are getting at, but it appears to be of a different discussion.

refurb 9y ago

Let me guess you grew up in a socially conservative part of Canada?

mthoms 9y ago

>Interesting, the more (socially) right wing your neighbourhood is, the better the economic mobility. Sure, if you want to completely ignore the effect of two of biggest economic developments of the past quarter century. Namely, the oil boom in (conservative) Alberta and the fisheries collapse in the (liberal) Maritimes.