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In defense of Mr. Pernicious (Jason Fried) and Big Shoulders (Chicago)
- tptacek 16y agoChicago does not make rocket ships. I love this city, but please keep it real. The downside to Chicago: you won't get funded. The upside to Chicago: you won't get funded.
- Yoonka 16y agoAwesome discussion! This is the second time someone has pointed out that Chicago doesn't make rocketships. Tell me why this doesn't count as a spaceship? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37?wasRedirected=true http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37?wasRedirected=tru... What's your angle on this not being ours?
- tptacek 16y agoBoeing corporate moved to Chicago in '01, but its aerospace engineering and manufacturing teams did not. The heart of that company is still on the west coast.
- Yoonka 16y agoHi Tptacek, My point in the post was comparing corporate headquarters. I responded to a similar comment on spill. I'm pretty sure (though haven't researched) Gap and Levi's don't manufacture in SF. I've worked in Seattle with the fine folks at Boeing and agree they are the guts of the company. The money still comes from Chicago.
- Yoonka 16y agoP.s. Boeing was a "performer" in this program. Awesome stuff. http://augmentedcognition.org/ http://augmentedcognition.org/
- mikeryan 16y agoI'm totally unclear how geography had a damn thing to do with Jason's advice on hiring. Nor is it clear why either of these posts had to degenerate into some sort of "my town is better then your town" penis waving contest
- starkfist 16y agoI will let you know why, but it will cost me karma and likely start another penis waving contest: it is a Chicago thing. Chicagoans (who live there) cannot stop talking about how great Chicago is. And it's a zero sum game. Chicago can't just be great on it's own... your town has to SUCK in comparison. No other other town has this problem. Even New Yorkers can admit that New York sucks from time to time, or will say that Miami is nice in the winter. No Chicagoan will ever say anything good about another city without also mentioning why Chicago is better. And you're lucky to get even that. Usually they will just tell you why where you live sucks. -Signed, someone born and partially raised in Chicago and glad I don't live there.
- tptacek 16y agoIt is so. much. better. than other US cities, though! Seriously, though: (1) People either love or hate NYC, and they love or hate SoCal. They love or don't care about Chicago. It's a biased signal. (2) Chicago is the closest thing in the US you can get to NYC if you want "major urban center", "top population center", and can't actually deal with NYC. That's me. I can't deal with NYC, but I appreciate what everyone else does in NYC, and Chicago has 80% of that. This would be "just another thing people who like Chicago say about Chicago" except that "proximity to the NYC experience" is a huge deal for city lovers. (3) People, especially tech people, underappreciate just how small San Francisco, Seattle, Austin, Portland, and even Greater Boston are. I say that not to put Chicago on a level above them, but instead to note that those cities have fewer boosters just statistically. (4) That said, most of the "Chicago is amazing" stuff comes out in conversations with NYC-ers and SF-ers, and we tend to concede that, say, Portland is a nice place to live too. Oh, and by the way? We didn't bring Chicago into this. That original douchey blog post did, with its commentary about how everyone in the third largest metro area in the country "works for or knows someone who works for the parks district". But now you know why 'tptacek thinks Chicagoans act like that.