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I tried iOS 11 on the latest version of the iPad Pro 9.7" and iPhone 6S. I've actually downgraded back to iOS 10 because the beta was still too buggy for day-to

I tried iOS 11 on the latest version of the iPad Pro 9.7" and iPhone 6S. I've actually downgraded back to iOS 10 because the beta was still too buggy for day-to-day use. The existing 'multi-tasking' on the iPad Pro is fiddly, and this was no easier. Apps were locking themselves to the Dock and I couldn't work out how to remove them. Switching between apps was far from "Cmd + Tab" of the desktop. A lot of apps that I still use but haven't been updated in years broke because they're not 64 bit. And it was very slow. Even native apps like Settings and Notes were just hanging for seconds at a time. The hardest bit is the sheer number of different ways of doing things. "You're in landscape mode, so if you slide down from the top and then slide left in the resulting screen you can see the last notification that popped up a second ago." I did like the new keyboard, where I could just swipe down to get a capital letter or special character. And the control screen was good, as I could enable "Battery Saver Mode" and the "Personal Hotpoint" more quickly. But I'll need to see a lot more polish to the Dock before re-upgrading.

x0x0 9y ago
Does the dock hide itself, or will it permanently eat the bottom inch of my ipad? edit: I got blocked for writing thank you in response, so I'll write it here instead. Thank you for taking the time to answer me.
- blowski 9y ago
  It hides itself. It's supposed to slide up intelligently, but sometimes it doesn't, so you have to go back to the home screen.
martin_bech 9y ago
Must of the previous IOS beta have had similar poor performance. I dont know if some debug mode i running in the background or whats going on, but final version, is always much more performant.
- blowski 9y ago
  I upgraded to the iOS 10 beta almost immediately as it came out (only on the iPhone) and it felt very polished. There were a few performance issues, but I was able to live with them - this time around it was unusable.
  - bennyg 9y ago
    I've updated every one since iOS 5 and it's always been like this in the early releases before the iPhone event. Though, as always, YMMV.
- eunoia 9y ago
  This matches my experiences with the past 6 or so iOS beta releases. Contrarily the Xcode 9 beta is the most stable and useful Xcode beta I've ever seen.
dgfgfdagasdfgfa 9y ago
The current app-switching tech in iOS 10 is mostly unusable for multitasking because they animate it into some kind of bullshit coverflow control that looks pretty but is slow and has every app you've ever started on the ipad to page through. Is it any snappier/easier to use now? Can you do the whole 'I'll just switch over to the other app to copy something and switch back' in a second or two yet? Even the weird 'you can use this app on the side' multitasking tech they've had for a while has been slow as hell and doesn't solve the copy/paste problem.
- blowski 9y ago
  It's hard to say, as the apps have to support it, and not many of them do yet. But the Dock felt like a really intrusive gimmick - it looks like macOS, but doesn't work like it at all. I agree that the current 'slide in from the right and find the app you want' method to be hard work. But the new one is trying to shoehorn the desktop experience into a tablet, and it fails miserably from what I've seen so far.
- mcintyre1994 9y ago
  4 finger swipe left/right is the best option on iOS 10 imo - it's about as good as the 3d touch swipe on iPhone.
  - CamperBob2 9y ago
    And this is discoverable how?
    - mcintyre1994 9y ago
      Well obviously you go into settings, then general, then multitasking even though it's not really multitasking, and then you notice that under the gestures on/off slider thing there's a description of the 4/5 finger gestures. Btw the others are pinch to home screen and swipe up to app switcher. I only knew about the swipe left/right one .. I think I probably saw it on an advert maybe? I have no idea how you're supposed to discover it.
  - 9y ago
thirdsun 9y ago
> A lot of apps that I still use but haven't been updated in years broke because they're not 64 bit. While your other points are valid for a beta OS, this one can't really be used as criticism towards Apple. You can't blame them for developers that abandone their apps.
- blowski 9y ago
  Apple has more resources to build a 32-bit emulator, compared to the resources of a developer who released a small but useful app 8 years ago but now needs it to be 64 bit.
  - thirdsun 9y ago
    And I'd argue that those resources wouldn't be spent very effectively or worthwhile in that case. How many apps are so niche and specific that there won't be a replacement? I'd guess that rarely happens.

x0x0 9y ago

Does the dock hide itself, or will it permanently eat the bottom inch of my ipad? edit: I got blocked for writing thank you in response, so I'll write it here instead. Thank you for taking the time to answer me.

blowski 9y ago
It hides itself. It's supposed to slide up intelligently, but sometimes it doesn't, so you have to go back to the home screen.

martin_bech 9y ago

Must of the previous IOS beta have had similar poor performance. I dont know if some debug mode i running in the background or whats going on, but final version, is always much more performant.

blowski 9y ago
I upgraded to the iOS 10 beta almost immediately as it came out (only on the iPhone) and it felt very polished. There were a few performance issues, but I was able to live with them - this time around it was unusable.
- bennyg 9y ago
  I've updated every one since iOS 5 and it's always been like this in the early releases before the iPhone event. Though, as always, YMMV.
eunoia 9y ago
This matches my experiences with the past 6 or so iOS beta releases. Contrarily the Xcode 9 beta is the most stable and useful Xcode beta I've ever seen.

dgfgfdagasdfgfa 9y ago

The current app-switching tech in iOS 10 is mostly unusable for multitasking because they animate it into some kind of bullshit coverflow control that looks pretty but is slow and has every app you've ever started on the ipad to page through. Is it any snappier/easier to use now? Can you do the whole 'I'll just switch over to the other app to copy something and switch back' in a second or two yet? Even the weird 'you can use this app on the side' multitasking tech they've had for a while has been slow as hell and doesn't solve the copy/paste problem.

blowski 9y ago
It's hard to say, as the apps have to support it, and not many of them do yet. But the Dock felt like a really intrusive gimmick - it looks like macOS, but doesn't work like it at all. I agree that the current 'slide in from the right and find the app you want' method to be hard work. But the new one is trying to shoehorn the desktop experience into a tablet, and it fails miserably from what I've seen so far.
mcintyre1994 9y ago
4 finger swipe left/right is the best option on iOS 10 imo - it's about as good as the 3d touch swipe on iPhone.
- CamperBob2 9y ago
  And this is discoverable how?
  - mcintyre1994 9y ago
    Well obviously you go into settings, then general, then multitasking even though it's not really multitasking, and then you notice that under the gestures on/off slider thing there's a description of the 4/5 finger gestures. Btw the others are pinch to home screen and swipe up to app switcher. I only knew about the swipe left/right one .. I think I probably saw it on an advert maybe? I have no idea how you're supposed to discover it.
- 9y ago

thirdsun 9y ago

> A lot of apps that I still use but haven't been updated in years broke because they're not 64 bit. While your other points are valid for a beta OS, this one can't really be used as criticism towards Apple. You can't blame them for developers that abandone their apps.

blowski 9y ago
Apple has more resources to build a 32-bit emulator, compared to the resources of a developer who released a small but useful app 8 years ago but now needs it to be 64 bit.
- thirdsun 9y ago
  And I'd argue that those resources wouldn't be spent very effectively or worthwhile in that case. How many apps are so niche and specific that there won't be a replacement? I'd guess that rarely happens.