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>EVEN if it were the case that college is a filtering mechanism my point still stands because tuition free education increases the availablity of education to t
by Moshe_Silnorin 9y ago
>EVEN if it were the case that college is a filtering mechanism my point still stands because tuition free education increases the availablity of education to those with the ability.
This is not the case. If my thesis is correct, which I think it is, you could replace college for the vast majority of people with 1 standardized test for thousands of times less cost.
Don't you think its odd that the college boom started just after IQ tests for employment became illegal?
When IQ tests were outlawed for use in employment, with the exception of the military and universities (a hilarious irony), it became uneconomical for employers who needed well-above-average people to train their own employees, as they could not filter for intelligence first. Before Griggs vs Duke Power it was common for an uneducated person to score well on an IQ test, get promoted, learn on the job and work their way up to the top. Now that same person is forced to go to college, waste thousands of dollars and years of wages to do the same thing, giving a cut to the professors and the administrators (most of whom have conveniently propounded IQ denialism until just recently when the science has become so blatant that it is embarrassing to do so). This system vastly decreases the probability of someone improving their lot.
Maybe it would be nice if everyone were equally intelligent.
Maybe it would be nice if everyone were equally tall.
But this isn't the case, and if you base policy on the supposition you get the waste and rent seeking that is emblematic of the education system at all levels.
- nickthemagicman 9y agoI disagree. They still need to take the time to get that knowledge from somewhere? I don't think anyone is born with the knowledge.
- Moshe_Silnorin 9y agoMost people would learn fine on the job. For things like higher maths and physics, I think apprenticeship and autodidacticism would be a good form of this. The trades have a much better model than most. Apprenticeship would work particularly well in computer science.
- nickthemagicman 9y agoYeah but IQ are notoriously inaccurate and in no way a similar trait as height. Measuring height is an objective biological measurement. IQ is a measure of a state of consciousness with so many different confounding factors. This is a Nature vs Nurture question and you're going 100% all in on the Nature side of the argument....some sort of inherent genetic IQ predisposition. Saying one has a permanant IQ is equivalent to saying mexicans inherently like to steal hubcabs. When it comes to measures of IQ and other states of consciousness environment plays a massive role. Google "labeling theory" and "Motivation theory". IQ tests are proven to have so many counfounding factors that they're not taken seriously. For example: 1> Groups exposed to abstract reasoning problems during school or prep courses do way better on IQ tests... 2> IQ is also shown to increase as people get older.... 3>Not to mention going to university is shown to INCREASE one's score on IQ tests.... So how accurate of a test is that? The reason it's outlawed is because it's essentially stereotyping. It's a bullshit oversimplified view of how the brain works, and factually incorrect and Nazi-ish. We can have an oversimplified filtering system, a single test that determines peoples futures.......or we can put people in an environment like university where education and learning is encouraged...and see if they meet their genetic potential. I think the second way is less insane.
- Moshe_Silnorin 9y agoI would like to recommend a book to you. It is Intelligence: All That Matters by Stuart Ritchie. I would recommend reading it before forming strong opinions on this topic.
- nickthemagicman 9y agoI would like to recommend decades of social science research that shows that human performance is effected equally by environment as genetics. Hence the entire nature vs nurture debate. Consciouness is too complex to be summed up by any single test and any person remotely knowledgable about the subject will agree with me. But it's been interesting talking with you.
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