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Just wanted to say thanks for the warm welcome from HN when the app was released last month — I hope this blogpost answers the questions that were raised back t

Just wanted to say thanks for the warm welcome from HN when the app was released last month — I hope this blogpost answers the questions that were raised back then. I’d be happy to answer anything else you’d like to know! Original thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14347211 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14347211 Demo of the app (in the show): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACmydtFDTGs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACmydtFDTGs App for iOS: https://itunes.apple.com/app/not-hotdog/id1212457521 https://itunes.apple.com/app/not-hotdog/id1212457521 App for Android (just released yesterday): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.seefoodtechnologies.nothotdog https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.seefoodtec...

dagurp 9y ago
Why is this not available outside the US and Canada?
- timanglade 9y ago
  So the long version of this story is that the app was released in partnership with the HBO Go / HBO Now team, and using the terms of service they used for these apps (which are only available in the US & Canada). We’ve been working with lawyers to release the app worldwide without running afoul of any local laws, and I’m keeping my fingers crossed that will get cleared this week, we just gotta make sure our terms of service are up to par… After all, we wouldn’t want to fall prey to something we made fun of this very season ;) http://www.vulture.com/2017/04/silicon-valley-recap-season-4-episode-2.html http://www.vulture.com/2017/04/silicon-valley-recap-season-4...
  - devoply 9y ago
    Do you have a special algorithm to determine Canada/US and not Canada/US.
    - deleted 9y ago
      [deleted]
    - timanglade 9y ago
      :D now, that would be an app worth investing in
      - OJFord 9y ago
        Big interest from the Trump administration! (Huge interest, so big, the biggest.)
    - ethbro 9y ago
      Their neural network localizes your submitted hotdog images. To get around the block, try showing it a Canadian hotdog.
      - eagletusk 9y ago
        Will it block Canadian hotdogs shot on USA soil? How about Mexican hotdogs? Asking for a friend.
        ethbro 9y ago
        Canadian hotdogs on US soil (aka "cross-dogging") and vice versus are disambiguated by shadow inclination vs timestamp to estimate latitude (outdoors) and fingerprinting microfluctuations in the power grid and resulting effects on lighting (indoors, Canada has a much larger share of hydroelectric). GPS was considered, but rejected as insufficiently cool.
    - rconti 9y ago
      Hmmm, BRB, writing pylsur or not pylsur.
- a012 9y ago
  Because HBO I guess. There are a lot of contents are filtered outside of USA.
askl 9y ago
The Android App is not available in Germany. :(
mamon 9y ago
Slightly offtopic, but I wonder how hard it was to attach eGPU to MacBook Pro? Is there some official support, or was it just a dirty hack?
- timanglade 9y ago
  Not offtopic at all! Dirty hack for sure. The enclosure I bought was a hack, the drivers were a hack, and there was software on top that was a hack as well. But the developer experience was totally awesome… Almost made the constant graphics crashes worth it. Almost.
  - rexreed 9y ago
    Can you provide some more details on your eGPU hack for those of us who might want to try our hands on that as well?
    - timanglade 9y ago
      Not my work by any means, this is all community-driven, and I think they do as awesome a job as is possible to do, considering the constraints Apple puts in their way. This guide has all the steps: https://egpu.io/setup-guide-external-graphics-card-mac/ https://egpu.io/setup-guide-external-graphics-card-mac/
- astrange 9y ago
  There is official support for eGPUs in macOS High Sierra beta. https://developer.apple.com/metal/ https://developer.apple.com/metal/
zitterbewegung 9y ago
I am making an app that takes pictures and tries to tell you if the food in the picture has allergens. I didn't know if I should feel humble or just laugh. (I decided it was hilarious in the end) But it made me aim higher in a hackathon last weekend. I also use your app in my elevator pitch for people to understand.
- 0003 9y ago
  Great idea that I would be terrified to pursue from a legal perspective.
  - KGIII 9y ago
    I am going to chime in and really suggest they hire a qualified legal professional - if they intend to share this application. A simple disclaimer may not be adequate. Edit: Typo.
    - zitterbewegung 9y ago
      Yea I'm not going to release the app. I was already on the fence on it. I could have finished it months ago but I was worried about legal implications . Thank you .
      - KGIII 9y ago
        No problem. I wouldn't even give it away, with any disclaimer, without consulting a qualified legal professional. That sort of thing is just begging for a lawsuit. I am kind of curious how well you do. If you ever do get it going, there may be a use for it - but, again, liability is a huge factor in something like this. I am not a lawyer but I have spent a whole lot of time with lawyers and in court rooms. It was part of my business, indirectly. Thankfully, I sold and retired years ago.
        zitterbewegung 9y ago
        I could send you a dev build if you really want .
ckirksey 9y ago
Thanks for sharing your process. I was inspired by the show to build my own app. It's pretty crazy how quickly you can build something like this now.
- timanglade 9y ago
  Thanks! I really wanted to demystify as many of the steps as possible. It’s easy to see the finished result, but really it took a lot of trial & error to get something even as simple as this out there, and I wanted to make sure others felt encouraged to build their own apps too. Please share your progress!
justifier 9y ago
Can you speak to the origins of it being 'not hotdog'? Did you, or the writing staff or other consultants, start with hotdogs or dick picks? It made me laugh because it reminded me of this popular lecture(o) that was, and is, passed around tech circles Any relation? Or fun coincidence? (o) https://youtu.be/uJnd7GBgxuA?t=5555s https://youtu.be/uJnd7GBgxuA?t=5555s .. the lecture is given by andrej karpathy on 2016-09-24 and the timestamp goes to a point in the lecture where the lecturer discusses an interface made to have humans compete with conv nets to identify hotdogs
- timanglade 9y ago
  Ha seems like a fun coincidence. The writers came up with it early in the writing of season 4, and I started working on it sometime in the Summer of 2016 iirc. As far as the origin story goes, it was just great writers coming up with a great joke! Our lead technical consultant Todd mentioned to them we could actually build their joke for real, and the show jumped on the idea!
  - justifier 9y ago
    Classic.. yeah I think the lecturer says the project was from 2014 I suppose it's a clear testament to the quality of the show and its commentary.. thanks for your contribution to that end!
plumeria 9y ago
In which countries is it available? Mine isn't :(
- timanglade 9y ago
  Just US & Canada, for now.

dagurp 9y ago

Why is this not available outside the US and Canada?

timanglade 9y ago
So the long version of this story is that the app was released in partnership with the HBO Go / HBO Now team, and using the terms of service they used for these apps (which are only available in the US & Canada). We’ve been working with lawyers to release the app worldwide without running afoul of any local laws, and I’m keeping my fingers crossed that will get cleared this week, we just gotta make sure our terms of service are up to par… After all, we wouldn’t want to fall prey to something we made fun of this very season ;) http://www.vulture.com/2017/04/silicon-valley-recap-season-4-episode-2.html http://www.vulture.com/2017/04/silicon-valley-recap-season-4...
- devoply 9y ago
  Do you have a special algorithm to determine Canada/US and not Canada/US.
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - timanglade 9y ago
    :D now, that would be an app worth investing in
    - OJFord 9y ago
      Big interest from the Trump administration! (Huge interest, so big, the biggest.)
  - ethbro 9y ago
    Their neural network localizes your submitted hotdog images. To get around the block, try showing it a Canadian hotdog.
    - eagletusk 9y ago
      Will it block Canadian hotdogs shot on USA soil? How about Mexican hotdogs? Asking for a friend.
      - ethbro 9y ago
        Canadian hotdogs on US soil (aka "cross-dogging") and vice versus are disambiguated by shadow inclination vs timestamp to estimate latitude (outdoors) and fingerprinting microfluctuations in the power grid and resulting effects on lighting (indoors, Canada has a much larger share of hydroelectric). GPS was considered, but rejected as insufficiently cool.
  - rconti 9y ago
    Hmmm, BRB, writing pylsur or not pylsur.
a012 9y ago
Because HBO I guess. There are a lot of contents are filtered outside of USA.

askl 9y ago

The Android App is not available in Germany. :(

mamon 9y ago

Slightly offtopic, but I wonder how hard it was to attach eGPU to MacBook Pro? Is there some official support, or was it just a dirty hack?

timanglade 9y ago
Not offtopic at all! Dirty hack for sure. The enclosure I bought was a hack, the drivers were a hack, and there was software on top that was a hack as well. But the developer experience was totally awesome… Almost made the constant graphics crashes worth it. Almost.
- rexreed 9y ago
  Can you provide some more details on your eGPU hack for those of us who might want to try our hands on that as well?
  - timanglade 9y ago
    Not my work by any means, this is all community-driven, and I think they do as awesome a job as is possible to do, considering the constraints Apple puts in their way. This guide has all the steps: https://egpu.io/setup-guide-external-graphics-card-mac/ https://egpu.io/setup-guide-external-graphics-card-mac/
astrange 9y ago
There is official support for eGPUs in macOS High Sierra beta. https://developer.apple.com/metal/ https://developer.apple.com/metal/

zitterbewegung 9y ago

I am making an app that takes pictures and tries to tell you if the food in the picture has allergens. I didn't know if I should feel humble or just laugh. (I decided it was hilarious in the end) But it made me aim higher in a hackathon last weekend. I also use your app in my elevator pitch for people to understand.

0003 9y ago
Great idea that I would be terrified to pursue from a legal perspective.
- KGIII 9y ago
  I am going to chime in and really suggest they hire a qualified legal professional - if they intend to share this application. A simple disclaimer may not be adequate. Edit: Typo.
  - zitterbewegung 9y ago
    Yea I'm not going to release the app. I was already on the fence on it. I could have finished it months ago but I was worried about legal implications . Thank you .
    - KGIII 9y ago
      No problem. I wouldn't even give it away, with any disclaimer, without consulting a qualified legal professional. That sort of thing is just begging for a lawsuit. I am kind of curious how well you do. If you ever do get it going, there may be a use for it - but, again, liability is a huge factor in something like this. I am not a lawyer but I have spent a whole lot of time with lawyers and in court rooms. It was part of my business, indirectly. Thankfully, I sold and retired years ago.
      - zitterbewegung 9y ago
        I could send you a dev build if you really want .

ckirksey 9y ago

Thanks for sharing your process. I was inspired by the show to build my own app. It's pretty crazy how quickly you can build something like this now.

timanglade 9y ago
Thanks! I really wanted to demystify as many of the steps as possible. It’s easy to see the finished result, but really it took a lot of trial & error to get something even as simple as this out there, and I wanted to make sure others felt encouraged to build their own apps too. Please share your progress!

justifier 9y ago

Can you speak to the origins of it being 'not hotdog'? Did you, or the writing staff or other consultants, start with hotdogs or dick picks? It made me laugh because it reminded me of this popular lecture(o) that was, and is, passed around tech circles Any relation? Or fun coincidence? (o) https://youtu.be/uJnd7GBgxuA?t=5555s https://youtu.be/uJnd7GBgxuA?t=5555s .. the lecture is given by andrej karpathy on 2016-09-24 and the timestamp goes to a point in the lecture where the lecturer discusses an interface made to have humans compete with conv nets to identify hotdogs

timanglade 9y ago
Ha seems like a fun coincidence. The writers came up with it early in the writing of season 4, and I started working on it sometime in the Summer of 2016 iirc. As far as the origin story goes, it was just great writers coming up with a great joke! Our lead technical consultant Todd mentioned to them we could actually build their joke for real, and the show jumped on the idea!
- justifier 9y ago
  Classic.. yeah I think the lecturer says the project was from 2014 I suppose it's a clear testament to the quality of the show and its commentary.. thanks for your contribution to that end!

plumeria 9y ago

In which countries is it available? Mine isn't :(

timanglade 9y ago
Just US & Canada, for now.