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I absolutely agree with you that some people on the wildest fringes do advocate genocide. Note that that pro-genocide advocates tick more diversity quotas than

by alva 9y ago

I absolutely agree with you that some people on the wildest fringes do advocate genocide. Note that that pro-genocide advocates tick more diversity quotas than the most liberal arts college. Do I paint all of BLM with the same brush as I do with the small numbers of their group who advocate white genocide? Do I cast all Muslims aside because a small % advocate genocide of Kuffar? Both would be unthinkable in right-on politics, and rightly so. If you are not very careful when pushing a certain way to judge things as absolute, you will find yourself having to answer very tricky questions that are contrary to the values you believe you hold. What I was trying to get across in my previous message is that if you really want Nazi to be a powerful, meaningful word, it should be used correctly. Unfortunately a quick look at some publications/social media shows you it not being used that way. It is being levelled against out-groups completely inappropriately and in a way that is counter-productive to the left's cause. Many of the liberal old-guard personalities are called Nazis by thousands online. Whenever someone sees an article or twitter movement accusing their favourite old-guard liberal icon being called "literally a Nazi", people start realising the stupidity and tune out. The same thing happened with "racist". There is a reason it has fallen out of favour in certain circles.

anigbrowl 9y ago
I can't possibly shape everyone's word choices. I'm just pointing out that mine as used here are specific, considered, and backed by evidence..
gspetr 9y ago
> Do I cast all Muslims aside because a small % advocate genocide of Kuffar? I think you did a disservice to the point you were trying to make because with muslims anyone who does not follow Quran to the letter is found lacking. Qur'an (8:39) "Wage war on non-Muslims and kill them until they submit and the only religion is Islam." It is about as genocidal as it gets. I've never heard about anything connected to National Socialism prescribing something so extreme, in as clear and direct way, e.g. there is no "Wage war on non-Nazis and kill them until they submit and the only ideology is Nazism." But muslims get a free pass. You don't hear them saying it that often because of Taqqiya.
- anigbrowl 9y ago
  It's worth recalling that Qu'ran is some 1400 years old and a great deal has changed in the world since that sectarian (not genocidal) ideology was proposed. Nazism as an ideology developed only about a century ago, and should be evaluated in the light of all the historical and other knowledge accumulated during the interval. If you're looking for bold statements of Nazi ambition, you could consider this remark by Goebbels on the New Order concept in 1943 - bluster during a losing war effort, to be sure, but hardly out of line with past expressions of the ideology: The Führer gave expression to his unshakable conviction that the Reich will be the master of all Europe. We shall yet have to engage in many fights, but these will undoubtedly lead to most wonderful victories. From there on the way to world domination is practically certain. Whoever dominates Europe will thereby assume the leadership of the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)

by alva 9y ago

anigbrowl 9y ago

I can't possibly shape everyone's word choices. I'm just pointing out that mine as used here are specific, considered, and backed by evidence..

gspetr 9y ago

> Do I cast all Muslims aside because a small % advocate genocide of Kuffar? I think you did a disservice to the point you were trying to make because with muslims anyone who does not follow Quran to the letter is found lacking. Qur'an (8:39) "Wage war on non-Muslims and kill them until they submit and the only religion is Islam." It is about as genocidal as it gets. I've never heard about anything connected to National Socialism prescribing something so extreme, in as clear and direct way, e.g. there is no "Wage war on non-Nazis and kill them until they submit and the only ideology is Nazism." But muslims get a free pass. You don't hear them saying it that often because of Taqqiya.

anigbrowl 9y ago
It's worth recalling that Qu'ran is some 1400 years old and a great deal has changed in the world since that sectarian (not genocidal) ideology was proposed. Nazism as an ideology developed only about a century ago, and should be evaluated in the light of all the historical and other knowledge accumulated during the interval. If you're looking for bold statements of Nazi ambition, you could consider this remark by Goebbels on the New Order concept in 1943 - bluster during a losing war effort, to be sure, but hardly out of line with past expressions of the ideology: The Führer gave expression to his unshakable conviction that the Reich will be the master of all Europe. We shall yet have to engage in many fights, but these will undoubtedly lead to most wonderful victories. From there on the way to world domination is practically certain. Whoever dominates Europe will thereby assume the leadership of the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)