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IMHO there will not be a next Miles Davies or a next Jimmy Hendrix. Or rather, they've already been. The last 40 years of music have experienced such a revolut

by kaoD 9y ago

IMHO there will not be a next Miles Davies or a next Jimmy Hendrix. Or rather, they've already been. The last 40 years of music have experienced such a revolution, we've already had many of those (most of them relegated to obscurity through sheer volume and industrialization of music). But now that I've re-read your comment you've already mentioned the niche-ization :) Hip-hop was a revolutionary genre like rock music was to the people. Electronic music turns upside down every 10 years or so (e.g. compare Shpongle to 90's techno). I find it very funny (/sad) that many jazz listeners (around me, mostly trained musicians in modern curricula that goes classical -> jazz) look down upon electronic music (in a way similar to how jazz musicians were looked down upon by traditional musicians in the early 20th century). Electronic is the new jazz (sometimes people forget electronic music is not a genre, just a medium!) Not to mention how electronic music production finally let musicians experiment on a new dimension (timbre) which was very, very hard to innovate on with traditional instruments. I'm so excited to see what's coming next. We're living a great age.

agumonkey 9y ago
I don't listen to much electronic music, but I find no subtleties or sensitivity in what I hear. I understand that dismissing the new for no other reason is useless but I just don't feel it.
- kaoD 9y ago
  Could it be that you're uneducated (which is fine, there's so much music produced nowadays that's hard to be educated in all niches) and listening to shitty electronic music that the mainstream industry is advertising endlessly to recycle the same formula again and again for cheap gains? Similar to shitty music like "The Archies - Sugar Sugar" or anything from The Ramones. There's an endless stream of shit music from all years and genres. Don't expect subtleties from an industrial product, just like you wouldn't expect them from an apartment building (compared to art-chitecture). As I said, electronic music is a medium, not a genre. You could listen to an electronic version of Bach's Toccata In D Minor played live by a virtuous pianist and it wouldn't lose subtlety or sensitivity due to the electronic process of sound synthesis. If done well, it could actually acquire new subtleties through timbre manipulation techniques. Don't confuse medium and product. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaHMq3Jg5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaHMq3Jg5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkMt4GudJzg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkMt4GudJzg Listen to those back to back and if you still find no subtleties or sensitivity go check a doctor ;) Now seriously, it's fine not to like them, but you have to concede these are very well done pieces of art.
  - agumonkey 9y ago
    How many people in the electronic genre could play Bach ? I mind no medium, no genre, nothing at all. If you give me something musical, even tapping on bamboo, or an old DX7 (see this demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3rrjQtQe5A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3rrjQtQe5A, the pianos samples are dense, and the harmonies aren't dull) synth, I'd welcome it. The link you gave are not bad, but they lack soul, feel, weight. It's a common thing in electronic music, sampled drumbeats, tiny vocals, steady and fragile melodic rhythm. ps: other electronic sounds that I found a bit more telling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-k7QhOVl4M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-k7QhOVl4M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGNZABDqZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGNZABDqZA These two are simplistic but have a strong rhythmic backbone and are surprinsgly twisted at times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4r_94EvDZ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4r_94EvDZ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebjXsc0UjdQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebjXsc0UjdQ I'd love to keep on but I have to leave, I'll be back in an hour
    - kaoD 9y ago
      I find your links completely soulless and unimaginative (mostly rehashing 80s black music) so to each their own I guess :) Not that I dislike them, they're just... plain (to me). I really like Todd Terje, which you linked, but I wouldn't call it subtle in any way (it's just generic italo-disco updated to sound like 21st century dance music). It's something I'd play to dance on a night out, not to listen and enjoy as art. > It's a common thing in electronic music, sampled drumbeats Well, both links feature live drum beats so... ;) Amongst other instruments (Shpongle's flute is analog, Younger Brother features analog instruments both at the studio and live). Here's Younger Brother rehearsing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIYH6SXdjE0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIYH6SXdjE0 --- As I expected it's a matter of taste (as expected) more than medium. I can see you like funk influenced music full of harmonic complexity. You might like some 70s electronic music I guess? Try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LF438wbUTI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LF438wbUTI (Beaver & Krause, pioneers on electronic music). There are literally too many productions to chose from until I hit the key that tingles your own personal taste :P We'll never agree but I'm glad we exchanged opinions (and I'll keep an eye on that Redinho guy!)
- kristofferR 9y ago
  What do you think about this kind of electronic music? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9s6Vi-Ts-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9s6Vi-Ts-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvmYo3q1qrg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvmYo3q1qrg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeaGUfZM5hs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeaGUfZM5hs https://di.fm/channels https://di.fm/channels is worth checking out BTW, it's a radio network with over 90 genres/channels with electronic music. If you don't find something you like there it's because you're determined to not like it.
- davnicwil 9y ago
  Another recommendation: HEALTH Disco 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRIvjnpXOQI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRIvjnpXOQI It's actually an album full of electro remixes of songs from the HEALTH album GET COLOR (which is also an incredible album, but rather different in style) by different artists. One of my favourite albums of all time. You'll find a lot in there if you give it a few listens :-)
- coldtea 9y ago
  >I don't listen to much electronic music, but I find no subtleties or sensitivity in what I hear. Probably because you don't listen much. There are subtleties in electronic music pieces that go several levels beyond jazz even -- in timbre, rhythm, harmony etc. Compared to something like 70s rock, there's no contest even. You wont find those in EDM charts though.
  - agumonkey 9y ago
    Send me names, I'd gladly feed my ears with beyond jazz subtleties. I'm all for the musical experience, as long as it's well done. But to the point, the thread is about mainstream guitar playing going away. So I was talking about mainstream electro. Surely there are deeply satisfying electronic music out there if you dig.
    - coldtea 9y ago
      Here are some examples of some classic stuff -- but like anything new, they probably require repeated listenings to get the layers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgzjFCXCA8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgzjFCXCA8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WTxC8wnXQo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WTxC8wnXQo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnXVIsMimHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnXVIsMimHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw5AiRVqfqk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw5AiRVqfqk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7bKe_Zgk4o&index=5&list=RDXaJn3QqiIUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7bKe_Zgk4o&index=5&list=RDX... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FGtd3oH_PQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FGtd3oH_PQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOjWMiPktqw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOjWMiPktqw
      - agumonkey 9y ago
        IM starts nice, the rest isn't my cup of tea. I'll keep it under my pillow for a second run. ps: here's a gift https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj3GkvFIqSc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj3GkvFIqSc
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- tormeh 9y ago
  >I don't listen to much electronic music, but I find no subtleties or sensitivity in what I hear. Personally, I listen to whatever triggers the release of happy hormones in my brain. I think this varies from person to person, but for most people (and me) it's close to pop. I'm fine with this being not high culture. There's lots of sophisticated electronic music, but those are different subgenres to the point where they have less in common with the garden variety techno than they have with other genres. If you want to out-jazz jazz then something like Amon Tobin would probably interest you.
  - agumonkey 9y ago
    I stopped being a musical snob a while back. I mind no music that gives me chills but often it has to have some ingredients. Now it can be bubblegum pop, it's not an issue, as it should since I have many "ridiculous" songs that I find quite deep to listen too (teen pop idol, old kids shows theme songs).
- Sevores 9y ago
  Listen to this Charles Cohen record if you want subtlety and sensitivity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-c5_A2y0JM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-c5_A2y0JM
- splicer 9y ago
  If you’re looking for an example of subtle and thoughtful electronic music, I recommend listening to recent works of Tipper.
- thirdsun 9y ago
  I'm pretty sure you're missing the good stuff, hidden a under a sea of mediocrity. That can easily happen as there's simply so much music out there.
splicer 9y ago
Shpongle is from the 90’s (though mostly not techno). Granted, most of their hits came out in the 2000’s.
thirdsun 9y ago
> sometimes people forget electronic music is not a genre, just a medium I was ready to prepare a reply asking you how one could possibly put electronic into a single category until I saw this very important bit. Spot on. In my opinion electronic music isn't in conflict with other musical directions at all. I'd like to think of it as a superset - just pick your preference and you'll surely find it somewhere in electronic music. > We're living a great age. Indeed. As an avid music enthusiast and collector I'm enjoying discovering great records, old and new, more than ever. Whether it's browsing Discogs or Bandcamp, to me it feels like a golden age for music discovery, which surely needs a lot of filtering and willingness to dig deeper, but it isn't any less rewarding than it has been in those good old days.

by kaoD 9y ago

agumonkey 9y ago

I don't listen to much electronic music, but I find no subtleties or sensitivity in what I hear. I understand that dismissing the new for no other reason is useless but I just don't feel it.

kaoD 9y ago
Could it be that you're uneducated (which is fine, there's so much music produced nowadays that's hard to be educated in all niches) and listening to shitty electronic music that the mainstream industry is advertising endlessly to recycle the same formula again and again for cheap gains? Similar to shitty music like "The Archies - Sugar Sugar" or anything from The Ramones. There's an endless stream of shit music from all years and genres. Don't expect subtleties from an industrial product, just like you wouldn't expect them from an apartment building (compared to art-chitecture). As I said, electronic music is a medium, not a genre. You could listen to an electronic version of Bach's Toccata In D Minor played live by a virtuous pianist and it wouldn't lose subtlety or sensitivity due to the electronic process of sound synthesis. If done well, it could actually acquire new subtleties through timbre manipulation techniques. Don't confuse medium and product. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaHMq3Jg5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaHMq3Jg5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkMt4GudJzg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkMt4GudJzg Listen to those back to back and if you still find no subtleties or sensitivity go check a doctor ;) Now seriously, it's fine not to like them, but you have to concede these are very well done pieces of art.
- agumonkey 9y ago
  How many people in the electronic genre could play Bach ? I mind no medium, no genre, nothing at all. If you give me something musical, even tapping on bamboo, or an old DX7 (see this demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3rrjQtQe5A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3rrjQtQe5A, the pianos samples are dense, and the harmonies aren't dull) synth, I'd welcome it. The link you gave are not bad, but they lack soul, feel, weight. It's a common thing in electronic music, sampled drumbeats, tiny vocals, steady and fragile melodic rhythm. ps: other electronic sounds that I found a bit more telling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-k7QhOVl4M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-k7QhOVl4M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGNZABDqZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGNZABDqZA These two are simplistic but have a strong rhythmic backbone and are surprinsgly twisted at times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4r_94EvDZ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4r_94EvDZ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebjXsc0UjdQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebjXsc0UjdQ I'd love to keep on but I have to leave, I'll be back in an hour
  - kaoD 9y ago
    I find your links completely soulless and unimaginative (mostly rehashing 80s black music) so to each their own I guess :) Not that I dislike them, they're just... plain (to me). I really like Todd Terje, which you linked, but I wouldn't call it subtle in any way (it's just generic italo-disco updated to sound like 21st century dance music). It's something I'd play to dance on a night out, not to listen and enjoy as art. > It's a common thing in electronic music, sampled drumbeats Well, both links feature live drum beats so... ;) Amongst other instruments (Shpongle's flute is analog, Younger Brother features analog instruments both at the studio and live). Here's Younger Brother rehearsing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIYH6SXdjE0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIYH6SXdjE0 --- As I expected it's a matter of taste (as expected) more than medium. I can see you like funk influenced music full of harmonic complexity. You might like some 70s electronic music I guess? Try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LF438wbUTI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LF438wbUTI (Beaver & Krause, pioneers on electronic music). There are literally too many productions to chose from until I hit the key that tingles your own personal taste :P We'll never agree but I'm glad we exchanged opinions (and I'll keep an eye on that Redinho guy!)
kristofferR 9y ago
What do you think about this kind of electronic music? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9s6Vi-Ts-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9s6Vi-Ts-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvmYo3q1qrg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvmYo3q1qrg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeaGUfZM5hs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeaGUfZM5hs https://di.fm/channels https://di.fm/channels is worth checking out BTW, it's a radio network with over 90 genres/channels with electronic music. If you don't find something you like there it's because you're determined to not like it.
davnicwil 9y ago
Another recommendation: HEALTH Disco 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRIvjnpXOQI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRIvjnpXOQI It's actually an album full of electro remixes of songs from the HEALTH album GET COLOR (which is also an incredible album, but rather different in style) by different artists. One of my favourite albums of all time. You'll find a lot in there if you give it a few listens :-)
coldtea 9y ago
>I don't listen to much electronic music, but I find no subtleties or sensitivity in what I hear. Probably because you don't listen much. There are subtleties in electronic music pieces that go several levels beyond jazz even -- in timbre, rhythm, harmony etc. Compared to something like 70s rock, there's no contest even. You wont find those in EDM charts though.
- agumonkey 9y ago
  Send me names, I'd gladly feed my ears with beyond jazz subtleties. I'm all for the musical experience, as long as it's well done. But to the point, the thread is about mainstream guitar playing going away. So I was talking about mainstream electro. Surely there are deeply satisfying electronic music out there if you dig.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    Here are some examples of some classic stuff -- but like anything new, they probably require repeated listenings to get the layers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgzjFCXCA8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgzjFCXCA8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WTxC8wnXQo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WTxC8wnXQo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnXVIsMimHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnXVIsMimHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw5AiRVqfqk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw5AiRVqfqk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7bKe_Zgk4o&index=5&list=RDXaJn3QqiIUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7bKe_Zgk4o&index=5&list=RDX... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FGtd3oH_PQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FGtd3oH_PQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOjWMiPktqw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOjWMiPktqw
    - agumonkey 9y ago
      IM starts nice, the rest isn't my cup of tea. I'll keep it under my pillow for a second run. ps: here's a gift https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj3GkvFIqSc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj3GkvFIqSc
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tormeh 9y ago
>I don't listen to much electronic music, but I find no subtleties or sensitivity in what I hear. Personally, I listen to whatever triggers the release of happy hormones in my brain. I think this varies from person to person, but for most people (and me) it's close to pop. I'm fine with this being not high culture. There's lots of sophisticated electronic music, but those are different subgenres to the point where they have less in common with the garden variety techno than they have with other genres. If you want to out-jazz jazz then something like Amon Tobin would probably interest you.
- agumonkey 9y ago
  I stopped being a musical snob a while back. I mind no music that gives me chills but often it has to have some ingredients. Now it can be bubblegum pop, it's not an issue, as it should since I have many "ridiculous" songs that I find quite deep to listen too (teen pop idol, old kids shows theme songs).
Sevores 9y ago
Listen to this Charles Cohen record if you want subtlety and sensitivity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-c5_A2y0JM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-c5_A2y0JM
splicer 9y ago
If you’re looking for an example of subtle and thoughtful electronic music, I recommend listening to recent works of Tipper.
thirdsun 9y ago
I'm pretty sure you're missing the good stuff, hidden a under a sea of mediocrity. That can easily happen as there's simply so much music out there.

splicer 9y ago

Shpongle is from the 90’s (though mostly not techno). Granted, most of their hits came out in the 2000’s.

thirdsun 9y ago

> sometimes people forget electronic music is not a genre, just a medium I was ready to prepare a reply asking you how one could possibly put electronic into a single category until I saw this very important bit. Spot on. In my opinion electronic music isn't in conflict with other musical directions at all. I'd like to think of it as a superset - just pick your preference and you'll surely find it somewhere in electronic music. > We're living a great age. Indeed. As an avid music enthusiast and collector I'm enjoying discovering great records, old and new, more than ever. Whether it's browsing Discogs or Bandcamp, to me it feels like a golden age for music discovery, which surely needs a lot of filtering and willingness to dig deeper, but it isn't any less rewarding than it has been in those good old days.