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I think there are strong parallels with the tech/startup world here: the often-touted quote "The next Bill Gates won't build an operating system, the next Mark

I think there are strong parallels with the tech/startup world here: the often-touted quote "The next Bill Gates won't build an operating system, the next Mark Zuckerberg won't build a social network" comes to mind. The next Miles Davies won't play the horn, and the next Jimmy Hendrix won't play guitar. There will always be jazz, there will always be rock n roll, but the level of interest in those styles, particularly amongst young musicians, will slide inevitably towards the niche as the next innovative style comes along. The world keeps turning. This is a great thing for music.

kowdermeister 9y ago
> the next Jimmy Hendrix won't play guitar This guy comes to my mind: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCafxR2HWJRmMfSdyZXvZMTw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCafxR2HWJRmMfSdyZXvZMTw :)
kaoD 9y ago
IMHO there will not be a next Miles Davies or a next Jimmy Hendrix. Or rather, they've already been. The last 40 years of music have experienced such a revolution, we've already had many of those (most of them relegated to obscurity through sheer volume and industrialization of music). But now that I've re-read your comment you've already mentioned the niche-ization :) Hip-hop was a revolutionary genre like rock music was to the people. Electronic music turns upside down every 10 years or so (e.g. compare Shpongle to 90's techno). I find it very funny (/sad) that many jazz listeners (around me, mostly trained musicians in modern curricula that goes classical -> jazz) look down upon electronic music (in a way similar to how jazz musicians were looked down upon by traditional musicians in the early 20th century). Electronic is the new jazz (sometimes people forget electronic music is not a genre, just a medium!) Not to mention how electronic music production finally let musicians experiment on a new dimension (timbre) which was very, very hard to innovate on with traditional instruments. I'm so excited to see what's coming next. We're living a great age.
- agumonkey 9y ago
  I don't listen to much electronic music, but I find no subtleties or sensitivity in what I hear. I understand that dismissing the new for no other reason is useless but I just don't feel it.
  - kaoD 9y ago
    Could it be that you're uneducated (which is fine, there's so much music produced nowadays that's hard to be educated in all niches) and listening to shitty electronic music that the mainstream industry is advertising endlessly to recycle the same formula again and again for cheap gains? Similar to shitty music like "The Archies - Sugar Sugar" or anything from The Ramones. There's an endless stream of shit music from all years and genres. Don't expect subtleties from an industrial product, just like you wouldn't expect them from an apartment building (compared to art-chitecture). As I said, electronic music is a medium, not a genre. You could listen to an electronic version of Bach's Toccata In D Minor played live by a virtuous pianist and it wouldn't lose subtlety or sensitivity due to the electronic process of sound synthesis. If done well, it could actually acquire new subtleties through timbre manipulation techniques. Don't confuse medium and product. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaHMq3Jg5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaHMq3Jg5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkMt4GudJzg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkMt4GudJzg Listen to those back to back and if you still find no subtleties or sensitivity go check a doctor ;) Now seriously, it's fine not to like them, but you have to concede these are very well done pieces of art.
    - agumonkey 9y ago
      How many people in the electronic genre could play Bach ? I mind no medium, no genre, nothing at all. If you give me something musical, even tapping on bamboo, or an old DX7 (see this demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3rrjQtQe5A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3rrjQtQe5A, the pianos samples are dense, and the harmonies aren't dull) synth, I'd welcome it. The link you gave are not bad, but they lack soul, feel, weight. It's a common thing in electronic music, sampled drumbeats, tiny vocals, steady and fragile melodic rhythm. ps: other electronic sounds that I found a bit more telling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-k7QhOVl4M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-k7QhOVl4M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGNZABDqZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGNZABDqZA These two are simplistic but have a strong rhythmic backbone and are surprinsgly twisted at times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4r_94EvDZ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4r_94EvDZ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebjXsc0UjdQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebjXsc0UjdQ I'd love to keep on but I have to leave, I'll be back in an hour
- splicer 9y ago
  Shpongle is from the 90’s (though mostly not techno). Granted, most of their hits came out in the 2000’s.
- thirdsun 9y ago
  > sometimes people forget electronic music is not a genre, just a medium I was ready to prepare a reply asking you how one could possibly put electronic into a single category until I saw this very important bit. Spot on. In my opinion electronic music isn't in conflict with other musical directions at all. I'd like to think of it as a superset - just pick your preference and you'll surely find it somewhere in electronic music. > We're living a great age. Indeed. As an avid music enthusiast and collector I'm enjoying discovering great records, old and new, more than ever. Whether it's browsing Discogs or Bandcamp, to me it feels like a golden age for music discovery, which surely needs a lot of filtering and willingness to dig deeper, but it isn't any less rewarding than it has been in those good old days.

kowdermeister 9y ago

> the next Jimmy Hendrix won't play guitar This guy comes to my mind: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCafxR2HWJRmMfSdyZXvZMTw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCafxR2HWJRmMfSdyZXvZMTw :)

kaoD 9y ago

IMHO there will not be a next Miles Davies or a next Jimmy Hendrix. Or rather, they've already been. The last 40 years of music have experienced such a revolution, we've already had many of those (most of them relegated to obscurity through sheer volume and industrialization of music). But now that I've re-read your comment you've already mentioned the niche-ization :) Hip-hop was a revolutionary genre like rock music was to the people. Electronic music turns upside down every 10 years or so (e.g. compare Shpongle to 90's techno). I find it very funny (/sad) that many jazz listeners (around me, mostly trained musicians in modern curricula that goes classical -> jazz) look down upon electronic music (in a way similar to how jazz musicians were looked down upon by traditional musicians in the early 20th century). Electronic is the new jazz (sometimes people forget electronic music is not a genre, just a medium!) Not to mention how electronic music production finally let musicians experiment on a new dimension (timbre) which was very, very hard to innovate on with traditional instruments. I'm so excited to see what's coming next. We're living a great age.

agumonkey 9y ago
I don't listen to much electronic music, but I find no subtleties or sensitivity in what I hear. I understand that dismissing the new for no other reason is useless but I just don't feel it.
- kaoD 9y ago
  Could it be that you're uneducated (which is fine, there's so much music produced nowadays that's hard to be educated in all niches) and listening to shitty electronic music that the mainstream industry is advertising endlessly to recycle the same formula again and again for cheap gains? Similar to shitty music like "The Archies - Sugar Sugar" or anything from The Ramones. There's an endless stream of shit music from all years and genres. Don't expect subtleties from an industrial product, just like you wouldn't expect them from an apartment building (compared to art-chitecture). As I said, electronic music is a medium, not a genre. You could listen to an electronic version of Bach's Toccata In D Minor played live by a virtuous pianist and it wouldn't lose subtlety or sensitivity due to the electronic process of sound synthesis. If done well, it could actually acquire new subtleties through timbre manipulation techniques. Don't confuse medium and product. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaHMq3Jg5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaHMq3Jg5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkMt4GudJzg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkMt4GudJzg Listen to those back to back and if you still find no subtleties or sensitivity go check a doctor ;) Now seriously, it's fine not to like them, but you have to concede these are very well done pieces of art.
  - agumonkey 9y ago
    How many people in the electronic genre could play Bach ? I mind no medium, no genre, nothing at all. If you give me something musical, even tapping on bamboo, or an old DX7 (see this demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3rrjQtQe5A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3rrjQtQe5A, the pianos samples are dense, and the harmonies aren't dull) synth, I'd welcome it. The link you gave are not bad, but they lack soul, feel, weight. It's a common thing in electronic music, sampled drumbeats, tiny vocals, steady and fragile melodic rhythm. ps: other electronic sounds that I found a bit more telling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-k7QhOVl4M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-k7QhOVl4M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGNZABDqZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGNZABDqZA These two are simplistic but have a strong rhythmic backbone and are surprinsgly twisted at times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4r_94EvDZ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4r_94EvDZ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebjXsc0UjdQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebjXsc0UjdQ I'd love to keep on but I have to leave, I'll be back in an hour
splicer 9y ago
Shpongle is from the 90’s (though mostly not techno). Granted, most of their hits came out in the 2000’s.
thirdsun 9y ago
> sometimes people forget electronic music is not a genre, just a medium I was ready to prepare a reply asking you how one could possibly put electronic into a single category until I saw this very important bit. Spot on. In my opinion electronic music isn't in conflict with other musical directions at all. I'd like to think of it as a superset - just pick your preference and you'll surely find it somewhere in electronic music. > We're living a great age. Indeed. As an avid music enthusiast and collector I'm enjoying discovering great records, old and new, more than ever. Whether it's browsing Discogs or Bandcamp, to me it feels like a golden age for music discovery, which surely needs a lot of filtering and willingness to dig deeper, but it isn't any less rewarding than it has been in those good old days.