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You are being downvoted because you are ignorant of massive population of people who consume work of art or other, but who aren't multilangual. > it is ok to t

by Ralfp 9y ago

You are being downvoted because you are ignorant of massive population of people who consume work of art or other, but who aren't multilangual. > it is ok to translate games for kids Big thing that lets my father (factory worker who's 50 years old, no languages other than his father's one) enjoy Playstation 4 is the fact that Sony does insane amount of work to make as much as possible translated to Polish language. The Last of Us as well as Uncharteds which in no way are games aimed for kids received full polonization. WipEout Omega Collection has been polonized as well. Same goes for 3rd parties - Bethesda's games are fully polonized (this includes Fallout's, DOOM and Skyrim), CoD's are polonized, EA's games are polonized (Mass Effect's, NFS), etc. ect. There are many adult consumers who are more comfortable with media in their native language for one reason or another. Blizzard even went as far as to declare that every game they'll release will be localized on level that would make it par on native production. They are going so far with it that they are replacing US-specific jokes with local ones.

rasmafazi 9y ago
Well, in their own interest, it may be better to bite the bullet, and learn English. I ran into my own first book on programming at the end of the eighties, when I was fourteen. It was an old photocopy of Borland Turbo Pascal, in English. There was no translation available in vernacular. So, either I gave up on programming, or else I just had to get used to reading these things in English. Later on, programming became my full-time profession. If I hadn't done the effort of doing what it takes, and figure out English, today I would probably be queuing for unemployment benefits or another social handout. My kids would now be begging in the streets, instead of happily enjoying their costly private tutor and cosy private school. The kids obviously understand vernacular, but the classes are firmly in English, if only, because the other parents also know what time it is. The false beliefs and pagan gods of vernacularity make it so that the rich are getting richer, while from the poor, even the little they have, will be taken away from them.
- cooper12 9y ago
  I don't get why you're putting English on such a high pedestal. It's just another language, and a very annoying one for those taking it up as a second language due to its lack of internal consistency. If you care so much about learning some world language, I suggest you learn and start teaching your kids Chinese since that's the country on pace to surpass the US in economy. [0] People playing these games aren't doing it to gain a marketable fluency to allow them to get a great job and prevent their family from begging (as your alternate future would supposedly have entailed). They're doing it to wind down after the end of a day, to experience something entertaining. Being forced to do it in another language is not anyone's definition of fun (instead it's alienating) and that's why despite the original game existing in English, the author mentions fan translations popping up. Btw, knowing just English will also lock you into a silo—that of the anglosphere and despite your veneration for it, it's not the end all be all of culture, nor do its tendrils reach everywhere. (for example, there's a wealth of Japanese literature that hasn't even been touched by American translators; same for so many interesting cultures in other countries) localization is a gift of culture to those who speak other languages—it's the same thing that allows Americans to enjoy French poetry, German philosophy, Korean comics, etc... Don't be so hasty to put down the whole world just to feel good about your own choices and shame those who aren't so capable or willing to jump on the Anglotrain. [0]: http://fortune.com/2017/02/09/study-china-will-overtake-the-u-s-as-worlds-largest-economy-before-2030/ http://fortune.com/2017/02/09/study-china-will-overtake-the-...
  - rasmafazi 9y ago
    I can only emphasize that vernacular indeed has its place, if only to build local identity and belongingness. So, I am not advocating to abolish it. As I said, I speak vernacular with my own children, and they speak it with the kids of the neighbours. However, if you do a serious subject, which is always global, but you do it in vernacular, you are missing out on the virtual global conversations that really matter. It will inevitably force your own contributions to the field to become sub-standard. France recently decreed that they will prosecute people who post "terrorist" opinions on the internet in French. Of course, France will surely expand their action radius and seek to police any kind of subject, in order to control the "narrative", and make sure that it is favourable to what the powers that be, want you to believe; in line with what they have been doing for ages with newspapers and television. The UK also want to do that but they face the enormous obstacle of English-language opinions posted from the USA, which are protected by substantial first-amendment free speech provisions. According to Brandenburg versus Ohio, even advocating the violent overthrow of the state, is firmly protected speech. Don't ever say a thing like that in vernacular, because the local-language government may seek to arrest you. Hence, you can expect a much freer discussion in English than in French, since it is unencumbered by national-state regulations that curtail possibly unpopular or anti-government speech. I can pretty much say whatever I want in English. Don't try that in Polish, German, French, Chinese or any other local vernacular.

by Ralfp 9y ago

rasmafazi 9y ago

Well, in their own interest, it may be better to bite the bullet, and learn English. I ran into my own first book on programming at the end of the eighties, when I was fourteen. It was an old photocopy of Borland Turbo Pascal, in English. There was no translation available in vernacular. So, either I gave up on programming, or else I just had to get used to reading these things in English. Later on, programming became my full-time profession. If I hadn't done the effort of doing what it takes, and figure out English, today I would probably be queuing for unemployment benefits or another social handout. My kids would now be begging in the streets, instead of happily enjoying their costly private tutor and cosy private school. The kids obviously understand vernacular, but the classes are firmly in English, if only, because the other parents also know what time it is. The false beliefs and pagan gods of vernacularity make it so that the rich are getting richer, while from the poor, even the little they have, will be taken away from them.

cooper12 9y ago
I don't get why you're putting English on such a high pedestal. It's just another language, and a very annoying one for those taking it up as a second language due to its lack of internal consistency. If you care so much about learning some world language, I suggest you learn and start teaching your kids Chinese since that's the country on pace to surpass the US in economy. [0] People playing these games aren't doing it to gain a marketable fluency to allow them to get a great job and prevent their family from begging (as your alternate future would supposedly have entailed). They're doing it to wind down after the end of a day, to experience something entertaining. Being forced to do it in another language is not anyone's definition of fun (instead it's alienating) and that's why despite the original game existing in English, the author mentions fan translations popping up. Btw, knowing just English will also lock you into a silo—that of the anglosphere and despite your veneration for it, it's not the end all be all of culture, nor do its tendrils reach everywhere. (for example, there's a wealth of Japanese literature that hasn't even been touched by American translators; same for so many interesting cultures in other countries) localization is a gift of culture to those who speak other languages—it's the same thing that allows Americans to enjoy French poetry, German philosophy, Korean comics, etc... Don't be so hasty to put down the whole world just to feel good about your own choices and shame those who aren't so capable or willing to jump on the Anglotrain. [0]: http://fortune.com/2017/02/09/study-china-will-overtake-the-u-s-as-worlds-largest-economy-before-2030/ http://fortune.com/2017/02/09/study-china-will-overtake-the-...
- rasmafazi 9y ago
  I can only emphasize that vernacular indeed has its place, if only to build local identity and belongingness. So, I am not advocating to abolish it. As I said, I speak vernacular with my own children, and they speak it with the kids of the neighbours. However, if you do a serious subject, which is always global, but you do it in vernacular, you are missing out on the virtual global conversations that really matter. It will inevitably force your own contributions to the field to become sub-standard. France recently decreed that they will prosecute people who post "terrorist" opinions on the internet in French. Of course, France will surely expand their action radius and seek to police any kind of subject, in order to control the "narrative", and make sure that it is favourable to what the powers that be, want you to believe; in line with what they have been doing for ages with newspapers and television. The UK also want to do that but they face the enormous obstacle of English-language opinions posted from the USA, which are protected by substantial first-amendment free speech provisions. According to Brandenburg versus Ohio, even advocating the violent overthrow of the state, is firmly protected speech. Don't ever say a thing like that in vernacular, because the local-language government may seek to arrest you. Hence, you can expect a much freer discussion in English than in French, since it is unencumbered by national-state regulations that curtail possibly unpopular or anti-government speech. I can pretty much say whatever I want in English. Don't try that in Polish, German, French, Chinese or any other local vernacular.