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Also Japan is xenophobic so such a solution would never fly anyway

by ythn 9y ago

bluthru 9y ago
Nations are more than identity-less economic zones.
justboxing 9y ago
Saying "Japan is xenophobic" is perhaps a poor choice of words, but why the downvotes?? Even if Japanese Citizens are welcoming of and friendly towards foreigners, Japan as a Country is quite well known for it's strict immigration policy. > Discrimination in Japan is based on nationality. Guest workers are not considered true immigrants, and their children and grandchildren are often seen as outsiders because of the absence of birthright citizenship. Employers tend to treat them as foreigners. Source: Immigration Is Tough for Japan, But it's the solution for population loss. => https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-12-07/immigration-is-a-tough-one-for-japan-to-swallow https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-12-07/immigrati... and > Call it an opportunity, maybe, but don’t call it work. Legally, the time Ms. Liu spent ironing and packing women’s wear in Japan is considered “training.” She had entered the murky and at times abusive world of Japan’s technical trainees — essentially second-class laborers brought in from abroad to fill jobs that Japanese citizens aren’t taking. Source: Japan Limited Immigration; Now It’s Short of Workers => https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/business/japan-immigrants-workers-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/business/japan-immigrants...
- nihonde 9y ago
  Xenophobia implies malintent and an unenlightened view. I could just as easily say that Japan is very protective of its society and thus is selective about who gets to join. It is fundamentally a balanced approach to immigration. Of course, this is offensive to those who have been indoctrinated with the dogma that all people are the same and deserve the same opportunities, regardless of the cost to society. I think you can see clearly the flaws in the post-enlightenment primacy of personal liberty in America and Europe today. It's a kind of extremism, which will inevitably repeat the cycle of destruction, revolution, conquest, etc.
  - mistermann 9y ago
    > those who have been indoctrinated with the dogma that all people are the same It's amazing how widespread and deeply ingrained an idea perhaps 20 years old is, especially considering how obviously false it is from simple observation. Of course, it hasn't been an organic acceptance.
    - bluthru 9y ago
      People have only heard one side of the argument from mainstream "news" sources their entire lives, even though the social science is clear that diversity is bad for social trust, empathy, peace, etc.

Also Japan is xenophobic so such a solution would never fly anyway

by ythn 9y ago

Also Japan is xenophobic so such a solution would never fly anyway

bluthru 9y ago

Nations are more than identity-less economic zones.

justboxing 9y ago

Saying "Japan is xenophobic" is perhaps a poor choice of words, but why the downvotes?? Even if Japanese Citizens are welcoming of and friendly towards foreigners, Japan as a Country is quite well known for it's strict immigration policy. > Discrimination in Japan is based on nationality. Guest workers are not considered true immigrants, and their children and grandchildren are often seen as outsiders because of the absence of birthright citizenship. Employers tend to treat them as foreigners. Source: Immigration Is Tough for Japan, But it's the solution for population loss. => https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-12-07/immigration-is-a-tough-one-for-japan-to-swallow https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-12-07/immigrati... and > Call it an opportunity, maybe, but don’t call it work. Legally, the time Ms. Liu spent ironing and packing women’s wear in Japan is considered “training.” She had entered the murky and at times abusive world of Japan’s technical trainees — essentially second-class laborers brought in from abroad to fill jobs that Japanese citizens aren’t taking. Source: Japan Limited Immigration; Now It’s Short of Workers => https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/business/japan-immigrants-workers-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/business/japan-immigrants...

nihonde 9y ago
Xenophobia implies malintent and an unenlightened view. I could just as easily say that Japan is very protective of its society and thus is selective about who gets to join. It is fundamentally a balanced approach to immigration. Of course, this is offensive to those who have been indoctrinated with the dogma that all people are the same and deserve the same opportunities, regardless of the cost to society. I think you can see clearly the flaws in the post-enlightenment primacy of personal liberty in America and Europe today. It's a kind of extremism, which will inevitably repeat the cycle of destruction, revolution, conquest, etc.
- mistermann 9y ago
  > those who have been indoctrinated with the dogma that all people are the same It's amazing how widespread and deeply ingrained an idea perhaps 20 years old is, especially considering how obviously false it is from simple observation. Of course, it hasn't been an organic acceptance.
  - bluthru 9y ago
    People have only heard one side of the argument from mainstream "news" sources their entire lives, even though the social science is clear that diversity is bad for social trust, empathy, peace, etc.