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Turkey will stop teaching evolution in schools

31 points by Aqua 9y ago

anigbrowl 9y ago
Ironic that the photo depicts Erdogan with a symbol of scientific illumination sitting right over his head in the background. Kamal Ataturk must be rolling in his grave.
taylodl 9y ago
Said another way, Turkey's Minister of Educatiom claims science is too controversial to teach to children in the schools. They'll stick to fairy tales instead.
notadoc 9y ago
Meanwhile in the USA http://www.pewforum.org/2009/02/04/fighting-over-darwin-state-by-state/ http://www.pewforum.org/2009/02/04/fighting-over-darwin-stat... https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-map-showing-which-u-s-public-schools-teach-creationi-1515717148 https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-map-showing-which-u-s-public-schoo... http://www.mystatesman.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/texas-education-board-approves-curriculum-that-challenges-evolution/TyQyZ5OxYNU3NQNDfZqECI/ http://www.mystatesman.com/news/state--regional-govt--politi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_and_evolution_in_public_education_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_and_evolution_in_publ...
Pica_soO 9y ago
This is something of a frontier for the free software movement- to become a free science movement. One that allows for anonymized, teaching, conducting of tests and handing out of degrees, anonymized peer-reviews and publishing and anonymized granting of grants and patents. So to speak, a world, where no matter the state, no matter the society, science in secret can progress and flourish. This also means, a decentralized web is needed, one that is unlike the TOR-node system. Because TOR can still be attributed to persons running nodes, persons accessing the nodes. What is needed here, is more aching to a viral mesh network, that hijacks every device coming nearby into a node. That is a lot of work, to allow for work to continue. Another problem: How does one execute experiments, if one can not get access to devices and materials? Physics Simulation? Experiments as a anonymized Service?
- brianwawok 9y ago
  How do you prevent fake science? This article tells us why its bad for the state to manage information flow. But Facebook and the alt reality around Trump show us that society is not smart enough to separate reality from fiction. I suspect in a city full of developers we could make science work. In a city with half the people are below 100 IQ, I am not sure the end result will be great. So many ways it can go bad.
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Upvoter33 9y ago
Sad. But honestly, what better way to get students excited about evolution/science than to try to hide it from them?
anotherbrownguy 9y ago
I fail to see this as a problem. I would be completely fine if I hadn't learnt about theory of evolution in school. Why does anyone who does not work in a field that requires the knowledge of evolution need to know about it? It's nothing more than useless trivia for the most part. However, Nazis and now globalists have tried to use it for political purposes. It's better left to higher education where it is taught with proper context where it is actually useful.
- candiodari 9y ago
  Because religious extremists use it instead to indoctrinate kids. It is used to argue that you "owe" "religious faith" "to god/allah". This always translates in practice to that you owe obedience, money, time and work to them, of course. They couldn't care less about faith, they simply care about the power it gives them.
  - owebmaster 9y ago
    > Because religious extremists use it instead to indoctrinate kids. It is used to argue that you "owe" "religious faith" "to god/allah". The same way "science" extremists indoctrinate children to believe the answer is in the books. But they own the books. How is this different from religion? There is more fake science than real science out there but people few like "theory of X" is always right. This is fate manipulation, not science.
    - candiodari 9y ago
      There are many science books, quite a few are not "owned" by anyone and freely accessible. https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/SearchResults.aspx?subjectAreaId=8 https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/SearchResults.aspx?subjec... (just an example) What is "fate manipulation" ?
      - owebmaster 9y ago
        I meant faith.

31 points by Aqua 9y ago

Ironic that the photo depicts Erdogan with a symbol of scientific illumination sitting right over his head in the background. Kamal Ataturk must be rolling in his grave.

taylodl 9y ago

Said another way, Turkey's Minister of Educatiom claims science is too controversial to teach to children in the schools. They'll stick to fairy tales instead.

notadoc 9y ago

Meanwhile in the USA http://www.pewforum.org/2009/02/04/fighting-over-darwin-state-by-state/ http://www.pewforum.org/2009/02/04/fighting-over-darwin-stat... https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-map-showing-which-u-s-public-schools-teach-creationi-1515717148 https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-map-showing-which-u-s-public-schoo... http://www.mystatesman.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/texas-education-board-approves-curriculum-that-challenges-evolution/TyQyZ5OxYNU3NQNDfZqECI/ http://www.mystatesman.com/news/state--regional-govt--politi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_and_evolution_in_public_education_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_and_evolution_in_publ...

Pica_soO 9y ago

This is something of a frontier for the free software movement- to become a free science movement. One that allows for anonymized, teaching, conducting of tests and handing out of degrees, anonymized peer-reviews and publishing and anonymized granting of grants and patents. So to speak, a world, where no matter the state, no matter the society, science in secret can progress and flourish. This also means, a decentralized web is needed, one that is unlike the TOR-node system. Because TOR can still be attributed to persons running nodes, persons accessing the nodes. What is needed here, is more aching to a viral mesh network, that hijacks every device coming nearby into a node. That is a lot of work, to allow for work to continue. Another problem: How does one execute experiments, if one can not get access to devices and materials? Physics Simulation? Experiments as a anonymized Service?

brianwawok 9y ago
How do you prevent fake science? This article tells us why its bad for the state to manage information flow. But Facebook and the alt reality around Trump show us that society is not smart enough to separate reality from fiction. I suspect in a city full of developers we could make science work. In a city with half the people are below 100 IQ, I am not sure the end result will be great. So many ways it can go bad.
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Upvoter33 9y ago

Sad. But honestly, what better way to get students excited about evolution/science than to try to hide it from them?

anotherbrownguy 9y ago

I fail to see this as a problem. I would be completely fine if I hadn't learnt about theory of evolution in school. Why does anyone who does not work in a field that requires the knowledge of evolution need to know about it? It's nothing more than useless trivia for the most part. However, Nazis and now globalists have tried to use it for political purposes. It's better left to higher education where it is taught with proper context where it is actually useful.

candiodari 9y ago
Because religious extremists use it instead to indoctrinate kids. It is used to argue that you "owe" "religious faith" "to god/allah". This always translates in practice to that you owe obedience, money, time and work to them, of course. They couldn't care less about faith, they simply care about the power it gives them.
- owebmaster 9y ago
  > Because religious extremists use it instead to indoctrinate kids. It is used to argue that you "owe" "religious faith" "to god/allah". The same way "science" extremists indoctrinate children to believe the answer is in the books. But they own the books. How is this different from religion? There is more fake science than real science out there but people few like "theory of X" is always right. This is fate manipulation, not science.
  - candiodari 9y ago
    There are many science books, quite a few are not "owned" by anyone and freely accessible. https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/SearchResults.aspx?subjectAreaId=8 https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/SearchResults.aspx?subjec... (just an example) What is "fate manipulation" ?
    - owebmaster 9y ago
      I meant faith.