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It is your comment that is asinine. "Mr. Adam had seen posters hung by the management company telling tenants to shut their doors and stay inside in the event

It is your comment that is asinine. "Mr. Adam had seen posters hung by the management company telling tenants to shut their doors and stay inside in the event of a fire. But Mr. Adam, his wife, his daughter and his pregnant sister ignored the instructions and ran. "Anyone who listened to the fire brigade and stayed where they are, they lost their lives." If you're consistent, I expect you think the fire brigade is only secondarily at fault for the crap instructions? It was the people's fault for following the crap instructions? Regulations are a device for division of labor and education. They exist partly to tell us what to do so we don't have to understand everything from first principles.

ZeroGravitas 9y ago
Those instructions are sensible, as long as everything else is working as intended. The way the system is supposed to work, fires are contained within individual flats, or a small number of them. The cladding allowed the fire to spread in a way that undermines this system.
Spooky23 9y ago
The fire brigade or other public safety people give out instructions like this because they are looking at preserving life in the aggregate. Panic striken families clogging the single stairway makes it more difficult for first responders to respond. I've been involved in a few minor disasters in 15-25 story high rises. One was a roof fire, another was a kitchen fire halfway up, another was a catastrophic leak of water and glycol from the heating system, and the last was a thick cloud of smoke from a nearby oil-fired power plant that suddenly shutdown during the blackout in 2003. Guess what? There were catastrophic fuckups in every event (fire alarm failure, water pressure failure, firefighters sent to the wrong place, etc). But the SOP was always the same regardless of the situation -- stay in place. At the risk of admitting to being a selfish asshole, I'll come out and say -- fuck that. I will be bugging out, and I'll tell anyone I know to do the same. I'd rather die trying to get out than getting trapped like the poor souls in this building or WTC.

ZeroGravitas 9y ago

Those instructions are sensible, as long as everything else is working as intended. The way the system is supposed to work, fires are contained within individual flats, or a small number of them. The cladding allowed the fire to spread in a way that undermines this system.

Spooky23 9y ago

The fire brigade or other public safety people give out instructions like this because they are looking at preserving life in the aggregate. Panic striken families clogging the single stairway makes it more difficult for first responders to respond. I've been involved in a few minor disasters in 15-25 story high rises. One was a roof fire, another was a kitchen fire halfway up, another was a catastrophic leak of water and glycol from the heating system, and the last was a thick cloud of smoke from a nearby oil-fired power plant that suddenly shutdown during the blackout in 2003. Guess what? There were catastrophic fuckups in every event (fire alarm failure, water pressure failure, firefighters sent to the wrong place, etc). But the SOP was always the same regardless of the situation -- stay in place. At the risk of admitting to being a selfish asshole, I'll come out and say -- fuck that. I will be bugging out, and I'll tell anyone I know to do the same. I'd rather die trying to get out than getting trapped like the poor souls in this building or WTC.