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> Downtown? It's easy: they're noisy, annoying, polluting, That's simply no longer true with EV. > And yet, families with small children and businesses have b

> Downtown? It's easy: they're noisy, annoying, polluting, That's simply no longer true with EV. > And yet, families with small children and businesses have been doing just fine in more traditional and not car-oriented cities. In those fabulous city centers? Sure! Full of families with small children they are... ;-)

majewsky 9y ago
EVs are still annoying. When I have to cross a road for cars, I have to wait for the traffic light. Also, I have to be attentive in the first place. That's something I don't have to do to the same same extent in a pedestrian area. Also, EVs are still noisy because a significant part of the noise of a driving car is produced by the tires, unless driving very slowly. EDIT: Also, judging from the tone of your last statement, I'm going to guess that you've never been in Europe.
- lazyjones 9y ago
  > EDIT: Also, judging from the tone of your last statement, I'm going to guess that you've never been in Europe. Perhaps you live in a different Europe then, I've lived in Vienna for the past 27 years.
  - majewsky 9y ago
    I've been to Vienna once (3 years ago), and their public transit system was just as competent and reliable as most others that I've seen in central Europe. The car density was already much lower than what I've observed in the US.
coldtea 9y ago
>That's simply no longer true with EV. Which all of 5% of the population or less have. >In those fabulous city centers? Sure! Full of families with small children they are... ;-) Ever been to Europe?
- lazyjones 9y ago
  > Ever been to Europe? Yes, pretty much all my life. Check out who actually lives in city centers here. Elderly people, rich businesspeople without families etc. ... In Vienna, where I live, the city center has the following demographics: - 104m² average flat size, housing 1,89 people. - 32% population over 60 (highest in Vienna's districts), average age 46,3 (vs. 40,5 for all of Vienna) - 2,3% of the city's population live there, but only 0,7% of its children (and 2,5% of its cars)
  - awjr 9y ago
    That may also have to do with what you get for your money and local walkable access to schools causing families to avoid trying to live in the centres.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >- 32% population over 60 (highest in Vienna's districts), average age 46,3 (vs. 40,5 for all of Vienna) Downtown can also be more expensive than peripheral districts, so older people are more likely to afford housing there. That's not because of less cars though. But for our purposes, Vienna with all its districts, not just the center, is still far less car oriented than the traditional US city and its suburbs. >2,3% of the city's population live there, but only 0,7% of its children Just considering all as single-kid families would account for 2.3% "of the city's population" living there but only 1.5% of its children. And tons of families have only one kid (but of course 2 parents, divorced or not), lots have no kids, and tons of adults are not married yet. Add immigrants (who are more often than not male who come to seek work and don't bring children), and one would expect adult populations to be larger than children population in the same area.

majewsky 9y ago

EVs are still annoying. When I have to cross a road for cars, I have to wait for the traffic light. Also, I have to be attentive in the first place. That's something I don't have to do to the same same extent in a pedestrian area. Also, EVs are still noisy because a significant part of the noise of a driving car is produced by the tires, unless driving very slowly. EDIT: Also, judging from the tone of your last statement, I'm going to guess that you've never been in Europe.

lazyjones 9y ago
> EDIT: Also, judging from the tone of your last statement, I'm going to guess that you've never been in Europe. Perhaps you live in a different Europe then, I've lived in Vienna for the past 27 years.
- majewsky 9y ago
  I've been to Vienna once (3 years ago), and their public transit system was just as competent and reliable as most others that I've seen in central Europe. The car density was already much lower than what I've observed in the US.

coldtea 9y ago

>That's simply no longer true with EV. Which all of 5% of the population or less have. >In those fabulous city centers? Sure! Full of families with small children they are... ;-) Ever been to Europe?

lazyjones 9y ago
> Ever been to Europe? Yes, pretty much all my life. Check out who actually lives in city centers here. Elderly people, rich businesspeople without families etc. ... In Vienna, where I live, the city center has the following demographics: - 104m² average flat size, housing 1,89 people. - 32% population over 60 (highest in Vienna's districts), average age 46,3 (vs. 40,5 for all of Vienna) - 2,3% of the city's population live there, but only 0,7% of its children (and 2,5% of its cars)
- awjr 9y ago
  That may also have to do with what you get for your money and local walkable access to schools causing families to avoid trying to live in the centres.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >- 32% population over 60 (highest in Vienna's districts), average age 46,3 (vs. 40,5 for all of Vienna) Downtown can also be more expensive than peripheral districts, so older people are more likely to afford housing there. That's not because of less cars though. But for our purposes, Vienna with all its districts, not just the center, is still far less car oriented than the traditional US city and its suburbs. >2,3% of the city's population live there, but only 0,7% of its children Just considering all as single-kid families would account for 2.3% "of the city's population" living there but only 1.5% of its children. And tons of families have only one kid (but of course 2 parents, divorced or not), lots have no kids, and tons of adults are not married yet. Add immigrants (who are more often than not male who come to seek work and don't bring children), and one would expect adult populations to be larger than children population in the same area.