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Directly, sure, but charging your car generates carbon dioxide, as do the manufacturing processes behind the components. Manufacturing an electric car is in som

by yladiz 9y ago

Directly, sure, but charging your car generates carbon dioxide, as do the manufacturing processes behind the components. Manufacturing an electric car is in some ways worse for the environment than a traditional car.

lazyjones 9y ago
> charging your car generates carbon dioxide, Not if you charge from a PV array ... > as do the manufacturing processes behind the components. Same as every other manufacturing process, even for bicycles, your clothes etc. ... > Manufacturing an electric car is in some ways worse for the environment than a traditional car. That's nonsense. Says Elon Musk and so do various studies (in contrast to a recent, widely quoted swedish one).
- majewsky 9y ago
  > > Manufacturing an electric car is in some ways worse for the environment than a traditional car. > That's nonsense. Says Elon Musk and so do various studies (in contrast to a recent, widely quoted swedish one). Well, how much better is an EV car, compared to an ICE car, in terms of emissions over its whole lifetime? If it's only 5% better, or even 20%, it's not enough. If we're judging a mode of transport by its emissions, then EVs don't have to compete with ICEs. They have to compete with bikes and walking where those modes of transport can reasonably displace cars.
  - lazyjones 9y ago
    > If we're judging a mode of transport by its emissions, then EVs don't have to compete with ICEs. They have to compete with bikes and walking where those modes of transport can reasonably displace cars. Emissions somewhere else than the place where they're used are irrelevant for the question whether to allow them in cities or not. EV cars are 100% emission free in cities and if you're being pedantic, they compare favourably to cyclists and pedestrians because these emit more CO₂ than EV car + driver due to being physically more active and exhaling CO₂.

by yladiz 9y ago

lazyjones 9y ago

> charging your car generates carbon dioxide, Not if you charge from a PV array ... > as do the manufacturing processes behind the components. Same as every other manufacturing process, even for bicycles, your clothes etc. ... > Manufacturing an electric car is in some ways worse for the environment than a traditional car. That's nonsense. Says Elon Musk and so do various studies (in contrast to a recent, widely quoted swedish one).

majewsky 9y ago
> > Manufacturing an electric car is in some ways worse for the environment than a traditional car. > That's nonsense. Says Elon Musk and so do various studies (in contrast to a recent, widely quoted swedish one). Well, how much better is an EV car, compared to an ICE car, in terms of emissions over its whole lifetime? If it's only 5% better, or even 20%, it's not enough. If we're judging a mode of transport by its emissions, then EVs don't have to compete with ICEs. They have to compete with bikes and walking where those modes of transport can reasonably displace cars.
- lazyjones 9y ago
  > If we're judging a mode of transport by its emissions, then EVs don't have to compete with ICEs. They have to compete with bikes and walking where those modes of transport can reasonably displace cars. Emissions somewhere else than the place where they're used are irrelevant for the question whether to allow them in cities or not. EV cars are 100% emission free in cities and if you're being pedantic, they compare favourably to cyclists and pedestrians because these emit more CO₂ than EV car + driver due to being physically more active and exhaling CO₂.