Tangentially, I have been struggling, for several years, with Safari being extremely slow at opening sites, compared to almost instant loading in Chrome. Anyone

Tangentially, I have been struggling, for several years, with Safari being extremely slow at opening sites, compared to almost instant loading in Chrome. Anyone seen this? I'm always on fast networks (100mbps or so), but I find myself waiting 4-5 seconds or more before Safari even shows signs of connecting, even to things like Google and YouTube. It seems to be limited to HTTPS sites, and seems to have been introduced when Apple started using a new MacOS TLS/SSL framework called something like "Apple secure transport" (I forget exactly) a few MacOS versions back, and it's almost certainly not DNS (I get the same issue with Google DNS as with my provider's). I don't even know how to debug this, since I don't have a command line client that goes through the same TLS/SSL framework code as WebKit. Curl is fast, for example.