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This is disgusting, pathetic, and predatory. It also has a long-term chilling effect on women in technology and entrepreneurship. I am surprised by the lack o

by davidu 9y ago

This is disgusting, pathetic, and predatory. It also has a long-term chilling effect on women in technology and entrepreneurship. I am surprised by the lack of outrage over this behavior.

iagreeentirely 9y ago
At the moment it's allegations. The outrage should come after evidence is uncovered. Not that it will matter in the end. Recent events have shown that you can flat out admit to drugging women in order to have sex with them and still be acquitted if you have adequate stature and fame. (Ok, I should be more fair. A mistrial is not an acquittal.)
- ithinkinstereo 9y ago
  The Axios article (https://www.axios.com/pro-rata-2446752020.html https://www.axios.com/pro-rata-2446752020.html) details a long history of sketchy behavior. In addition to the three accusers: - While at lightspeed, accusations from a female founder at a portfolio company was serious enough that the "situation rose to the broader board level, with the ultimate resolution resulting in non-disclosure agreements on all sides." - While at Bain Ventures, a female founder accused Justin of inviting him over to his hotel room to "finish the conversation" even knowing she had a BF (not that being single would make it at all appropriate). - Two other female founders with similar stories that don't want to go on the record I also think it's worthy to note that all his (public) accusers are asian, as is his wife. Occam's razer...
  - Bartweiss 9y ago
    Even more relevant: https://www.axios.com/justin-caldbeck-takes-indefinite-leave-of-absence-from-binary-capital-2446988189.html https://www.axios.com/justin-caldbeck-takes-indefinite-leave... Caldbeck has apologized, taken leave, and did not contest any of the claims.
    - iagreeentirely 9y ago
      None of which was yet true when I posted. Now is the time for outrage, as evidence has been presented (In the form of confession).
- tanderson92 9y ago
  Accusational testimony under oath is evidence, technically. (not the kind you mean, but still) And as pointed out below, accusations are evidence in the court of public opinion.
- Anonymous888 9y ago
  I just want to say that this is the tip of the iceberg...more will certainly come out soon as other young ladies step forward. I've heard many many stories of much worse (note: jailtime) things done by Binary capital. I urge those who have a platform to further investigate the matter.
- hackinthebochs 9y ago
  > Recent events have shown that you can flat out admit to drugging women in order to have sex with them Quaaludes was a party drug in its day, taken specifically for its effects. The fact that he acquired the drug to have sex with women doesn't imply he used it to rape them.
  - go42 9y ago
    He admitted in the deposition (10-years ago) for the current trial that he gave the girl Benadryl to relax. I've never known any guy ever to give a girl Benadryl. If she is sick, take care of her. Don't dose her and have sex with her.
    - sp332 9y ago
      He gave her three benadryl and told her they were herbal supplements.
    - hackinthebochs 9y ago
      I'm not sure how that's relevant to the point I made.
dsfyu404ed 9y ago
Guaranteed eyeball time/clicks because of "public outrage" is exactly why journalists cover this stuff in the first place.
urda 9y ago
> I am surprised by the lack of outrage over this behavior. How about we wait for due process first before we start tearing into it? There's a reason why "innocent until proven guilty" is an important part of our society and comments like these undermine that.
- sp332 9y ago
  Due process is for criminal charges and sentencing. It doesn't apply anywhere else. [Edit: OK and other state stuff. Point stands.] Even if you sue someone, you only need a "preponderance of evidence" and not to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Outside of a courtroom, you can literally make up anything you want. For example, if you're a founder and you hear a rumor of a VC being a serial harasser, you might decide to skip that company. You don't have to justify yourself to anyone.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > Due process is for criminal charges and sentencing. Due process is for any government action affecting life, liberty, or property, including civil proceedings. But still not relevant to private reactions, though certainly one could argue that some of the principles which motivate due process protections have moral relevance in a private context as well.
  - stickfigure 9y ago
    Judging others based on unsubstantiated rumors creates a toxic environment too. We can behave better than that.
    - sp332 9y ago
      Updating your risk assessment doesn't mean you 100% believe someone is guilty. I stand away from cliff edges even if I'm pretty sure I'm not going to trip and fall to my death. And it's not like we haven't heard both sides: he already released two statements.
      - 9y ago

by davidu 9y ago

This is disgusting, pathetic, and predatory. It also has a long-term chilling effect on women in technology and entrepreneurship. I am surprised by the lack of outrage over this behavior.

iagreeentirely 9y ago

At the moment it's allegations. The outrage should come after evidence is uncovered. Not that it will matter in the end. Recent events have shown that you can flat out admit to drugging women in order to have sex with them and still be acquitted if you have adequate stature and fame. (Ok, I should be more fair. A mistrial is not an acquittal.)

ithinkinstereo 9y ago
The Axios article (https://www.axios.com/pro-rata-2446752020.html https://www.axios.com/pro-rata-2446752020.html) details a long history of sketchy behavior. In addition to the three accusers: - While at lightspeed, accusations from a female founder at a portfolio company was serious enough that the "situation rose to the broader board level, with the ultimate resolution resulting in non-disclosure agreements on all sides." - While at Bain Ventures, a female founder accused Justin of inviting him over to his hotel room to "finish the conversation" even knowing she had a BF (not that being single would make it at all appropriate). - Two other female founders with similar stories that don't want to go on the record I also think it's worthy to note that all his (public) accusers are asian, as is his wife. Occam's razer...
- Bartweiss 9y ago
  Even more relevant: https://www.axios.com/justin-caldbeck-takes-indefinite-leave-of-absence-from-binary-capital-2446988189.html https://www.axios.com/justin-caldbeck-takes-indefinite-leave... Caldbeck has apologized, taken leave, and did not contest any of the claims.
  - iagreeentirely 9y ago
    None of which was yet true when I posted. Now is the time for outrage, as evidence has been presented (In the form of confession).
tanderson92 9y ago
Accusational testimony under oath is evidence, technically. (not the kind you mean, but still) And as pointed out below, accusations are evidence in the court of public opinion.
Anonymous888 9y ago
I just want to say that this is the tip of the iceberg...more will certainly come out soon as other young ladies step forward. I've heard many many stories of much worse (note: jailtime) things done by Binary capital. I urge those who have a platform to further investigate the matter.
hackinthebochs 9y ago
> Recent events have shown that you can flat out admit to drugging women in order to have sex with them Quaaludes was a party drug in its day, taken specifically for its effects. The fact that he acquired the drug to have sex with women doesn't imply he used it to rape them.
- go42 9y ago
  He admitted in the deposition (10-years ago) for the current trial that he gave the girl Benadryl to relax. I've never known any guy ever to give a girl Benadryl. If she is sick, take care of her. Don't dose her and have sex with her.
  - sp332 9y ago
    He gave her three benadryl and told her they were herbal supplements.
  - hackinthebochs 9y ago
    I'm not sure how that's relevant to the point I made.

dsfyu404ed 9y ago

Guaranteed eyeball time/clicks because of "public outrage" is exactly why journalists cover this stuff in the first place.

urda 9y ago

> I am surprised by the lack of outrage over this behavior. How about we wait for due process first before we start tearing into it? There's a reason why "innocent until proven guilty" is an important part of our society and comments like these undermine that.

sp332 9y ago
Due process is for criminal charges and sentencing. It doesn't apply anywhere else. [Edit: OK and other state stuff. Point stands.] Even if you sue someone, you only need a "preponderance of evidence" and not to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Outside of a courtroom, you can literally make up anything you want. For example, if you're a founder and you hear a rumor of a VC being a serial harasser, you might decide to skip that company. You don't have to justify yourself to anyone.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > Due process is for criminal charges and sentencing. Due process is for any government action affecting life, liberty, or property, including civil proceedings. But still not relevant to private reactions, though certainly one could argue that some of the principles which motivate due process protections have moral relevance in a private context as well.
- stickfigure 9y ago
  Judging others based on unsubstantiated rumors creates a toxic environment too. We can behave better than that.
  - sp332 9y ago
    Updating your risk assessment doesn't mean you 100% believe someone is guilty. I stand away from cliff edges even if I'm pretty sure I'm not going to trip and fall to my death. And it's not like we haven't heard both sides: he already released two statements.
    - 9y ago