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Right, I read it. But it's still not actually clear to me whether they are ceasing ALL mining of email data for business accounts, or are just not funneling it

Right, I read it. But it's still not actually clear to me whether they are ceasing ALL mining of email data for business accounts, or are just not funneling it to a specific set of ad programs. To me, at least, that seems an important point of clarification.

crazygringo 9y ago
They're not ceasing it for business accounts, they've never done it for business accounts. The article is about free Gmail accounts. If you look at the terms for G Suite (the paid business product), that is a top selling point. Businesses who pay for G Suite don't want Google using their data for anything, and Google complies. Edit: in response to comment below, here are the main docs describing, including the Data Processing Amendment: https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-whitepaper/page-6.html https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-white... https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?hl=en https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?hl=en https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html
- alphonsegaston 9y ago
  I'm really not trying to be pedantic, but that's not what the article says. It says that Google never data-mined business accounts to serve ads, not that they never data-mine business accounts under any circumstances. If that's true, and you can point to marketing or a service agreement that outlines these terms, I'd be happy to know and will gladly buy a paid account. EDIT: I think these are the terms and I don't seem to see this guarantee, but IANAL https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en_in/terms/2013/1/premier_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en_in/terms/2013/1/premier_te... https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en-GB/terms/emea_reseller_premier_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en-GB/terms/emea_reseller_pre...
  - aiiane 9y ago
    You'd probably have to be more specific about what you're defining as "mining".
    - alphonsegaston 9y ago
      Essentially, scanning the data for anything unrelated to providing the service itself. I know this is a little murky with their suite, but if the data is being used in a way elsewhere (e.g. to train models for other services or collecting data in expectation that it could be useful to a Google app I haven't signed on with), that should be made explicit

crazygringo 9y ago

They're not ceasing it for business accounts, they've never done it for business accounts. The article is about free Gmail accounts. If you look at the terms for G Suite (the paid business product), that is a top selling point. Businesses who pay for G Suite don't want Google using their data for anything, and Google complies. Edit: in response to comment below, here are the main docs describing, including the Data Processing Amendment: https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-whitepaper/page-6.html https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-white... https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?hl=en https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?hl=en https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html

alphonsegaston 9y ago
I'm really not trying to be pedantic, but that's not what the article says. It says that Google never data-mined business accounts to serve ads, not that they never data-mine business accounts under any circumstances. If that's true, and you can point to marketing or a service agreement that outlines these terms, I'd be happy to know and will gladly buy a paid account. EDIT: I think these are the terms and I don't seem to see this guarantee, but IANAL https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en_in/terms/2013/1/premier_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en_in/terms/2013/1/premier_te... https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en-GB/terms/emea_reseller_premier_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en-GB/terms/emea_reseller_pre...
- aiiane 9y ago
  You'd probably have to be more specific about what you're defining as "mining".
  - alphonsegaston 9y ago
    Essentially, scanning the data for anything unrelated to providing the service itself. I know this is a little murky with their suite, but if the data is being used in a way elsewhere (e.g. to train models for other services or collecting data in expectation that it could be useful to a Google app I haven't signed on with), that should be made explicit