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It says it's exempt from ads in this specific context, but is it actually free of their data mining? If they still use the data to track and push whatever they'

It says it's exempt from ads in this specific context, but is it actually free of their data mining? If they still use the data to track and push whatever they're selling you in other contexts, the presence of the ads themselves is an ancillary concern.

halflings 9y ago
From the G Cloud FAQ [0]: > Google Cloud does not scan your data or email in G Suite Services for advertising purposes. Our automated systems scan and index your data to provide you with your services and to protect your data, such as to perform spam and malware detection, to sort email for features like Priority Inbox and to return fast, powerful search results when users search for information in their accounts. The situation is different for our free offerings and the consumer space. [0] https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?hl=en https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?hl=en
ma2rten 9y ago
According to the article it is.
- alphonsegaston 9y ago
  Right, I read it. But it's still not actually clear to me whether they are ceasing ALL mining of email data for business accounts, or are just not funneling it to a specific set of ad programs. To me, at least, that seems an important point of clarification.
  - crazygringo 9y ago
    They're not ceasing it for business accounts, they've never done it for business accounts. The article is about free Gmail accounts. If you look at the terms for G Suite (the paid business product), that is a top selling point. Businesses who pay for G Suite don't want Google using their data for anything, and Google complies. Edit: in response to comment below, here are the main docs describing, including the Data Processing Amendment: https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-whitepaper/page-6.html https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-white... https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?hl=en https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?hl=en https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html
    - alphonsegaston 9y ago
      I'm really not trying to be pedantic, but that's not what the article says. It says that Google never data-mined business accounts to serve ads, not that they never data-mine business accounts under any circumstances. If that's true, and you can point to marketing or a service agreement that outlines these terms, I'd be happy to know and will gladly buy a paid account. EDIT: I think these are the terms and I don't seem to see this guarantee, but IANAL https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en_in/terms/2013/1/premier_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en_in/terms/2013/1/premier_te... https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en-GB/terms/emea_reseller_premier_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en-GB/terms/emea_reseller_pre...
      - aiiane 9y ago
        You'd probably have to be more specific about what you're defining as "mining".
        alphonsegaston 9y ago
        Essentially, scanning the data for anything unrelated to providing the service itself. I know this is a little murky with their suite, but if the data is being used in a way elsewhere (e.g. to train models for other services or collecting data in expectation that it could be useful to a Google app I haven't signed on with), that should be made explicit

halflings 9y ago

From the G Cloud FAQ [0]: > Google Cloud does not scan your data or email in G Suite Services for advertising purposes. Our automated systems scan and index your data to provide you with your services and to protect your data, such as to perform spam and malware detection, to sort email for features like Priority Inbox and to return fast, powerful search results when users search for information in their accounts. The situation is different for our free offerings and the consumer space. [0] https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?hl=en https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?hl=en

ma2rten 9y ago

According to the article it is.

alphonsegaston 9y ago
Right, I read it. But it's still not actually clear to me whether they are ceasing ALL mining of email data for business accounts, or are just not funneling it to a specific set of ad programs. To me, at least, that seems an important point of clarification.
- crazygringo 9y ago
  They're not ceasing it for business accounts, they've never done it for business accounts. The article is about free Gmail accounts. If you look at the terms for G Suite (the paid business product), that is a top selling point. Businesses who pay for G Suite don't want Google using their data for anything, and Google complies. Edit: in response to comment below, here are the main docs describing, including the Data Processing Amendment: https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-whitepaper/page-6.html https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-white... https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?hl=en https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?hl=en https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html
  - alphonsegaston 9y ago
    I'm really not trying to be pedantic, but that's not what the article says. It says that Google never data-mined business accounts to serve ads, not that they never data-mine business accounts under any circumstances. If that's true, and you can point to marketing or a service agreement that outlines these terms, I'd be happy to know and will gladly buy a paid account. EDIT: I think these are the terms and I don't seem to see this guarantee, but IANAL https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en_in/terms/2013/1/premier_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en_in/terms/2013/1/premier_te... https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en-GB/terms/emea_reseller_premier_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en-GB/terms/emea_reseller_pre...
    - aiiane 9y ago
      You'd probably have to be more specific about what you're defining as "mining".
      - alphonsegaston 9y ago
        Essentially, scanning the data for anything unrelated to providing the service itself. I know this is a little murky with their suite, but if the data is being used in a way elsewhere (e.g. to train models for other services or collecting data in expectation that it could be useful to a Google app I haven't signed on with), that should be made explicit