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To play Devil's advocate, the ads benefit you because they make Gmail free.

StreamBright 9y ago
I would rather pay and do not share anything with Google (or for that matter all of Google's partners who can purchase our data)
- ams6110 9y ago
  There are many options to pay for email, fastmail just for one. Do you use one of them?
  - emodendroket 9y ago
    Google isn't just an e-mail service, really.
    - thomasfoster96 9y ago
      But… you don’t really have to use Gmail to use most of Google’s other products, just as you don’t really have to use (actively) Google+ to use other Google products either.
      - emodendroket 9y ago
        But imagine you use an Android phone, for instance. There's a whole bunch of integrated stuff that works well together that wouldn't if you had a Google account and then kept your e-mail somewhere else. It's not really a 1:1 comparison.
      - StreamBright 9y ago
        Unfortunately no. You are going to be tracked whereever you go and it has GA. The reason why Google can stop reading your emails is because they have a global network now that can track you better.
  - StreamBright 9y ago
    And how exactly will I escape Google's data collection when Fastmail uses GA for analytics? ....script type="text/javascript" src="/static/scripts/ga.js....
    - jkaunisv1 9y ago
      Run a broad-spectrum blocker like uBlock Origin? Access your fastmail from an interface other than their web interface?
      - StreamBright 9y ago
        Ok so there is more involved than just use Fastmail, as it was suggested. Thanks for confirming.
        dabernathy89 9y ago
        > many options to pay for email, fastmail just for one
    - chrismorgan 9y ago
      That’s the marketing site; the actual app where you read your email definitely doesn’t have Google Analytics.
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- EGreg 9y ago
  You can, it's called Google Apps for Business.
  - mojowo11 9y ago
    Not to be pedantic, but it's called "G Suite" nowadays.
- euyyn 9y ago
  > all of Google's partners who can purchase our data I'm pretty sure that's the empty set.
simias 9y ago
What about people not using gmail but sending email to a gmail users? Those don't gain anything here. I actually host my own email but every time I send a message to somebody using one of these webmails it gets indexed and monetized. But I would argue that it's a technical problem first and foremost, email security is mostly a joke. If I need to send sensitive things through emails I can always use PGP to actually protect it, instead of relying on the goodwill of the email provider not to peek into the message. If people really valued their privacy they'd be doing something similar.

I would rather pay and do not share anything with Google (or for that matter all of Google's partners who can purchase our data)

ams6110 9y ago
There are many options to pay for email, fastmail just for one. Do you use one of them?
- emodendroket 9y ago
  Google isn't just an e-mail service, really.
  - thomasfoster96 9y ago
    But… you don’t really have to use Gmail to use most of Google’s other products, just as you don’t really have to use (actively) Google+ to use other Google products either.
    - emodendroket 9y ago
      But imagine you use an Android phone, for instance. There's a whole bunch of integrated stuff that works well together that wouldn't if you had a Google account and then kept your e-mail somewhere else. It's not really a 1:1 comparison.
    - StreamBright 9y ago
      Unfortunately no. You are going to be tracked whereever you go and it has GA. The reason why Google can stop reading your emails is because they have a global network now that can track you better.
- StreamBright 9y ago
  And how exactly will I escape Google's data collection when Fastmail uses GA for analytics? ....script type="text/javascript" src="/static/scripts/ga.js....
  - jkaunisv1 9y ago
    Run a broad-spectrum blocker like uBlock Origin? Access your fastmail from an interface other than their web interface?
    - StreamBright 9y ago
      Ok so there is more involved than just use Fastmail, as it was suggested. Thanks for confirming.
      - dabernathy89 9y ago
        > many options to pay for email, fastmail just for one
  - chrismorgan 9y ago
    That’s the marketing site; the actual app where you read your email definitely doesn’t have Google Analytics.
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EGreg 9y ago
You can, it's called Google Apps for Business.
- mojowo11 9y ago
  Not to be pedantic, but it's called "G Suite" nowadays.
euyyn 9y ago
> all of Google's partners who can purchase our data I'm pretty sure that's the empty set.

simias 9y ago

What about people not using gmail but sending email to a gmail users? Those don't gain anything here. I actually host my own email but every time I send a message to somebody using one of these webmails it gets indexed and monetized. But I would argue that it's a technical problem first and foremost, email security is mostly a joke. If I need to send sensitive things through emails I can always use PGP to actually protect it, instead of relying on the goodwill of the email provider not to peek into the message. If people really valued their privacy they'd be doing something similar.