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So why does it happen, and how do you propose to solve this? Complain on the Internet? Shake your first at those damn angry drivers? Something something driver'

So why does it happen, and how do you propose to solve this? Complain on the Internet? Shake your first at those damn angry drivers? Something something driver's education? I mean, this is a real problem. "Share the road" doesn't work, and complaining on the Internet isn't going to suddenly fix it.

coddingtonbear 9y ago
It seems like fining and, if necessary, revoking the drivers licenses of dangerously aggressive drivers might be a simple way of solving the problem, no? Sharing public goods is be the norm in other areas of society; why not on the road?
- bobabooey02 9y ago
  You can't legislate away a cultural problem. See the drug wars, anti discrimination laws, and others. If we're going to be so cheap that we can't add bicycle infrastructure then we need to at least fund a public awareness campaign and possibly start teaching our kids about it.
  - naravara 9y ago
    >You can't legislate away a cultural problem. [Lots of places beg to differ](https://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dutch-kids-have-different-relationship-bicycling.html https://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dutch-kids-have-different-r...). You can't bully people into being good, but there are lots of nudges like education and more thoughtful design that can move culture to work better.
    - bobabooey02 9y ago
      You are right. I guess I should have said "you can't punish away a cultural problem." Using legislation to change the culture itself can certainly work if done right.
  - coddingtonbear 9y ago
    Although your examples are valid, there are many counter-examples: see increasingly-stringent enforcement of anti drunken-driving laws since the 1970s. Although drunken driving does still occur, it's vastly more uncommon than it was before we began legitimately enforcing the laws we have.
naravara 9y ago
What doesn't work about it? The only thing that doesn't seem to be working is that some people feel entitled to go as fast as they can get away with all the time. It works fine if people adjust their expectations. Cyclists in the way rarely cause real stretches of backed up traffic. Your average speed might go down slightly, big whoop.

coddingtonbear 9y ago

It seems like fining and, if necessary, revoking the drivers licenses of dangerously aggressive drivers might be a simple way of solving the problem, no? Sharing public goods is be the norm in other areas of society; why not on the road?

bobabooey02 9y ago
You can't legislate away a cultural problem. See the drug wars, anti discrimination laws, and others. If we're going to be so cheap that we can't add bicycle infrastructure then we need to at least fund a public awareness campaign and possibly start teaching our kids about it.
- naravara 9y ago
  >You can't legislate away a cultural problem. [Lots of places beg to differ](https://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dutch-kids-have-different-relationship-bicycling.html https://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dutch-kids-have-different-r...). You can't bully people into being good, but there are lots of nudges like education and more thoughtful design that can move culture to work better.
  - bobabooey02 9y ago
    You are right. I guess I should have said "you can't punish away a cultural problem." Using legislation to change the culture itself can certainly work if done right.
- coddingtonbear 9y ago
  Although your examples are valid, there are many counter-examples: see increasingly-stringent enforcement of anti drunken-driving laws since the 1970s. Although drunken driving does still occur, it's vastly more uncommon than it was before we began legitimately enforcing the laws we have.

naravara 9y ago

What doesn't work about it? The only thing that doesn't seem to be working is that some people feel entitled to go as fast as they can get away with all the time. It works fine if people adjust their expectations. Cyclists in the way rarely cause real stretches of backed up traffic. Your average speed might go down slightly, big whoop.