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> Java - the programming language that most seem to despise with great passion. Is that really true though? Anecdotally it seems lots of big firms are using Ja

by rb808 9y ago

> Java - the programming language that most seem to despise with great passion. Is that really true though? Anecdotally it seems lots of big firms are using Java8 even more often, as sidetracks to Go/Scala/C++* seem to be coming back.

reading-at-work 9y ago
Big firms like to use it, but most developers who work there probably don't; they just suck it up and do it for the paycheck. Source: am a developer at a big firm being forced to use Java.
- mathnode 9y ago
  Forced? Like with thumbscrews?
- panzerboy 9y ago
  I'm writing Java all day long and I love it.
- Arcsech 9y ago
  For what it's worth, I'm in the process of converting one of our components from JavaScript to Java because it is incredibly fragile, difficult to modify, and everyone hates working with it. Not everyone is forced to use Java. I really like Java actually, although we do make use of things like Lombok pretty heavily to reduce the boilerplate, enforce using inheritance very sparsely, and use immutable value types wherever possible (although sadly this is the part that gets ignored most often) - doing those things greatly improves the experience of using Java.
  - al452 9y ago
    Google AutoValue is (for my money) a much better alternative to Lombok. Plus it's strongly opinionated towards immutability, big win.
- deleted 9y ago
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SoulMan 9y ago
Every damn device runs on Java
- oblio 9y ago
  Except for iOS ones :)
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Depends on who wrote the app and what tools they decided to use. http://robovm.mobidevelop.com/ http://robovm.mobidevelop.com/ https://software.intel.com/en-us/multi-os-engine https://software.intel.com/en-us/multi-os-engine http://gluonhq.com/products/mobile/ http://gluonhq.com/products/mobile/ https://www.codenameone.com/ https://www.codenameone.com/
singularity2001 9y ago
>> Java - the programming language that most seem to despise with great passion. > Is that really true though? one data point: yes

by rb808 9y ago

reading-at-work 9y ago

Big firms like to use it, but most developers who work there probably don't; they just suck it up and do it for the paycheck. Source: am a developer at a big firm being forced to use Java.

mathnode 9y ago
Forced? Like with thumbscrews?
panzerboy 9y ago
I'm writing Java all day long and I love it.
Arcsech 9y ago
For what it's worth, I'm in the process of converting one of our components from JavaScript to Java because it is incredibly fragile, difficult to modify, and everyone hates working with it. Not everyone is forced to use Java. I really like Java actually, although we do make use of things like Lombok pretty heavily to reduce the boilerplate, enforce using inheritance very sparsely, and use immutable value types wherever possible (although sadly this is the part that gets ignored most often) - doing those things greatly improves the experience of using Java.
- al452 9y ago
  Google AutoValue is (for my money) a much better alternative to Lombok. Plus it's strongly opinionated towards immutability, big win.
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SoulMan 9y ago

Every damn device runs on Java

oblio 9y ago
Except for iOS ones :)
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Depends on who wrote the app and what tools they decided to use. http://robovm.mobidevelop.com/ http://robovm.mobidevelop.com/ https://software.intel.com/en-us/multi-os-engine https://software.intel.com/en-us/multi-os-engine http://gluonhq.com/products/mobile/ http://gluonhq.com/products/mobile/ https://www.codenameone.com/ https://www.codenameone.com/

singularity2001 9y ago

>> Java - the programming language that most seem to despise with great passion. > Is that really true though? one data point: yes