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> there is hardly any computer store in Europe selling Chromebooks That's a sad reality of Google products that aren't free ("monetized through ads" if you pre

> there is hardly any computer store in Europe selling Chromebooks That's a sad reality of Google products that aren't free ("monetized through ads" if you prefer) web services: Unless you're in the US, they might as well not exist. It's just impossible to sign up for them legitimately (ie. without using a VPN, US credit card and a forwarding mail address in the US.) Personally I think that a plethora of the "paid" Google products (including Chromebooks!) could do pretty well in Europe if given the chance, but for reasons good or bad they never get the chance to prove themselves in the market in the first place. > When they try to sell them, it is a single model on a corner of the shop with increasing discounts Nevertheless, _when_ they are available, they're doing a bit better than you describe it: https://geizhals.de/?phist=1461289 https://geizhals.de/?phist=1461289 https://geizhals.de/?phist=1483242 https://geizhals.de/?phist=1483242 https://geizhals.de/?phist=1564920 https://geizhals.de/?phist=1564920 https://geizhals.de/?phist=1378869 https://geizhals.de/?phist=1378869 https://geizhals.de/?phist=1439976 https://geizhals.de/?phist=1439976 are a sample of devices for the German market (limited the search to the set of devices with a DE keyboard to avoid imported models, whose prices fluctuate wildly and aren't what people typically consider regular market availability), both low-end and high-end, and the development of those price indexes looks pretty normal for notebooks. > Chrome's memory usage on the process system monitor shows a different reality about that code. "Chrome OS firmware team". My team's code doesn't ever show up on the process system monitor.

pjmlp 9y ago
> Nevertheless, _when_ they are available, they're doing a bit better than you describe it: I am describing computer stores where people walk into, not online stores. > "Chrome OS firmware team". My team's code doesn't ever show up on the process system monitor. So, nothing that would have a major impact on using a more productive operating system, and wouldn't forbid the use Dart instead of the JavaScript/HTML/CSS triumvirate.
- pgeorgi 9y ago
  > I am describing computer stores where people walk into, not online stores. There are two major issues that make them a worse source for data points on hardware popularity than online stores: 1. Availability: it's hard to get the numbers in an aggregate form, while I just skimmed a search engine for 5 minutes. 2. Shelf space: brick and mortar stores can only ship 2 devices of a small set of major OEMs. With such constraints, they'll limit themselves to what they belive will be block busters in their (brick&mortar) market, creating a reinforcing loop. Before the iPhone (say 2003), many stores didn't even carry Apple computers because they were "niche" and incapable of running Magix Video Deluxe. It's too expensive to keep "one of everything" around when you pay $$$ for every square meter of shop space. That's a market distortion, not a hyper-realistic representation of customer intent.

pjmlp 9y ago

> Nevertheless, _when_ they are available, they're doing a bit better than you describe it: I am describing computer stores where people walk into, not online stores. > "Chrome OS firmware team". My team's code doesn't ever show up on the process system monitor. So, nothing that would have a major impact on using a more productive operating system, and wouldn't forbid the use Dart instead of the JavaScript/HTML/CSS triumvirate.

pgeorgi 9y ago
> I am describing computer stores where people walk into, not online stores. There are two major issues that make them a worse source for data points on hardware popularity than online stores: 1. Availability: it's hard to get the numbers in an aggregate form, while I just skimmed a search engine for 5 minutes. 2. Shelf space: brick and mortar stores can only ship 2 devices of a small set of major OEMs. With such constraints, they'll limit themselves to what they belive will be block busters in their (brick&mortar) market, creating a reinforcing loop. Before the iPhone (say 2003), many stores didn't even carry Apple computers because they were "niche" and incapable of running Magix Video Deluxe. It's too expensive to keep "one of everything" around when you pay $$$ for every square meter of shop space. That's a market distortion, not a hyper-realistic representation of customer intent.