Interesting Podcast generally but I wss very struck by this exchange "Kotlin and Swift are very similar - how did that happen? I don’t have first-hand informat

Interesting Podcast generally but I wss very struck by this exchange "Kotlin and Swift are very similar - how did that happen? I don’t have first-hand information about why - both projects were started at about the same time, but JetBrains published the description fairly early on." Was Swift deprived from Kotlin?