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Wow, interesting stuff. I have not used Uber for a long time. Lyft is my goto app.

amrrs 9y ago
Had there been no Uber, there wouldn't have been Lyft. Uber is not just the first-comer or pioneer but it also fought most of the first-fights with city officials and Taxi unions which actually gave confidence to Lyft for their survival!
- eridius 9y ago
  Just because Uber fought those fights doesn't mean nobody else could have fought them.
  - furioussloth 9y ago
    Of course not but they deserve hella credit for this. Also i think with all the major investigation and changes they are doing more than makes up for lot of bad things they did. If anything justice is served and people should move on.
    - eridius 9y ago
      How is justice served? Uber has done a tremendous amount of really shitty things. And for most of it, there has been no "justice" served. Furthermore, you're taking it as a given that Uber flagrantly violating local laws in order to launch ridesharing is a good thing, but not everybody will agree with that.
      - furioussloth 9y ago
        Many people who had a better option than driving drunk will do. Many parents who wait for their kids to get home safe after parties will agree. The social good done is way higher to totally justify using some shady software to evade authorities. Ignoring sexual harassment complain was a huge mistake. But pretty much everyone involved was fired , an investigation by holder was carried out and most of his suggestions are being implemented. You have clearly not stayed in a city with really shitty taxi service.
        eridius 9y ago
        What you describe is something that literally any car-sharing company anywhere provides, including taxis. This does not even remotely mean that "justice" has been served for any of the atrocities Uber has committed.
        furioussloth 9y ago
        You are ignoring the fact that regulations which protected taxis would not allow ride sharing companies like uber or lyft to exist. Uber made it possible to have those car sharing companies.Taxis are awful in so many cities. It is impossible to expect quick pick-up in cities like buffalo,NY. Many worse things happen in loads of companies . They get away with it because media is not interested. I totally believe the massive upheaval more than makes up for their mistakes.
        eridius 9y ago
        Uber chose one route to make it possible. That doesn't mean other ways didn't exist (e.g. lobbying for change). Furthermore, the fact that Uber led the way here still doesn't mean "justice" has been served for anything, especially since most of the horrible things Uber has done were done after Uber opened up the market (and past actions can never be said to provide "justice" for future actions).
        furioussloth 9y ago
        "horrible things": oh summer child. I would categorize most of these as misdemeanor. Try to take a breath and really look at it. Except for susan fowler case other things aren't that bad, except for firing everyone responsible I don't see what else should have been done.
        eridius 9y ago
        I get the impression that you're not actually aware of even half of what Uber's done. Maybe you've only been paying attention for the past few months, but Uber's been doing a lot of bad stuff for many years now.
      - furioussloth 9y ago
        Case in point http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/04/daily-chart-0 http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/04/daily-c...
  - michaeldunworth 9y ago
    Actually that is exactly what it means. How many countries does Lyft operate in? Exactly. 1.
    - eridius 9y ago
      The fact that Lyft is US-only really has nothing at all to do with this claim. There are other car-sharing companies in other countries (for example, Didi Chuxing).
- fcnfan 9y ago
  Hmmm... from the outside it looked like Lyft forced Uber into the "everybody can drive" business model. Before Lyft, Uber was using licensed Limousine operators. Lyft started this and Uber followed, if I remember correctly. You are probably right that Uber had all the attention and "fought" more.

Had there been no Uber, there wouldn't have been Lyft. Uber is not just the first-comer or pioneer but it also fought most of the first-fights with city officials and Taxi unions which actually gave confidence to Lyft for their survival!

eridius 9y ago
Just because Uber fought those fights doesn't mean nobody else could have fought them.
- furioussloth 9y ago
  Of course not but they deserve hella credit for this. Also i think with all the major investigation and changes they are doing more than makes up for lot of bad things they did. If anything justice is served and people should move on.
  - eridius 9y ago
    How is justice served? Uber has done a tremendous amount of really shitty things. And for most of it, there has been no "justice" served. Furthermore, you're taking it as a given that Uber flagrantly violating local laws in order to launch ridesharing is a good thing, but not everybody will agree with that.
    - furioussloth 9y ago
      Many people who had a better option than driving drunk will do. Many parents who wait for their kids to get home safe after parties will agree. The social good done is way higher to totally justify using some shady software to evade authorities. Ignoring sexual harassment complain was a huge mistake. But pretty much everyone involved was fired , an investigation by holder was carried out and most of his suggestions are being implemented. You have clearly not stayed in a city with really shitty taxi service.
      - eridius 9y ago
        What you describe is something that literally any car-sharing company anywhere provides, including taxis. This does not even remotely mean that "justice" has been served for any of the atrocities Uber has committed.
        furioussloth 9y ago
        You are ignoring the fact that regulations which protected taxis would not allow ride sharing companies like uber or lyft to exist. Uber made it possible to have those car sharing companies.Taxis are awful in so many cities. It is impossible to expect quick pick-up in cities like buffalo,NY. Many worse things happen in loads of companies . They get away with it because media is not interested. I totally believe the massive upheaval more than makes up for their mistakes.
        eridius 9y ago
        Uber chose one route to make it possible. That doesn't mean other ways didn't exist (e.g. lobbying for change). Furthermore, the fact that Uber led the way here still doesn't mean "justice" has been served for anything, especially since most of the horrible things Uber has done were done after Uber opened up the market (and past actions can never be said to provide "justice" for future actions).
        furioussloth 9y ago
        "horrible things": oh summer child. I would categorize most of these as misdemeanor. Try to take a breath and really look at it. Except for susan fowler case other things aren't that bad, except for firing everyone responsible I don't see what else should have been done.
        eridius 9y ago
        I get the impression that you're not actually aware of even half of what Uber's done. Maybe you've only been paying attention for the past few months, but Uber's been doing a lot of bad stuff for many years now.
    - furioussloth 9y ago
      Case in point http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/04/daily-chart-0 http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/04/daily-c...
- michaeldunworth 9y ago
  Actually that is exactly what it means. How many countries does Lyft operate in? Exactly. 1.
  - eridius 9y ago
    The fact that Lyft is US-only really has nothing at all to do with this claim. There are other car-sharing companies in other countries (for example, Didi Chuxing).
fcnfan 9y ago
Hmmm... from the outside it looked like Lyft forced Uber into the "everybody can drive" business model. Before Lyft, Uber was using licensed Limousine operators. Lyft started this and Uber followed, if I remember correctly. You are probably right that Uber had all the attention and "fought" more.