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You don't need to control the entire Internet. See: Firewall of China. You only need to control the big fiber paths of which there aren't many. Of just in gen

by tscs37 9y ago

You don't need to control the entire Internet. See: Firewall of China. You only need to control the big fiber paths of which there aren't many. Of just in general the exit and entry points between countries. The Internet is not an open mesh.

StavrosK 9y ago
Even with the firewall, you can't control what's going on inside of China, and you only need one node inside to fetch something from the outside, and that's it.
- tscs37 9y ago
  You can certainly control incoming traffic to china. And once inside, you are subject to extreme government spying which can easily mean that everyone who gets a hold of unallowed content "vanishes". Furthermore, this is an issue not even encryption can fully solve, you still need to do a key exchange which means you need to either find a source of trust in the other side via sidechannels (aka PKI, TOFU or similar) or you allow everyone to easily intercept the data without much effort (aka skip-verify on TLS) The internet in china is not lacking in surveillance and censorship. This is an issue that even Tor is still chewing on a lot, afaik plain Tor connections in China are not very welcome and even blocked. So unless you claim that your crypt and security is better and more battletested than Tor, I'd say IPFS is anything but censorship resistant.
  - diggan 9y ago
    You can always have a USB-stick with the IPFS repository on it, and travel to china, setup your node within and start sharing it. People can trust the data is correct as they request the data based on the hash. Another way to distribute once the data is within China is to do it via private networks built with cjdns or similar
    - tscs37 9y ago
      This assumes that your USB stick doesn't get checked on the airport. Secondly, people can exactly not trust the data because there is no way to trustlessly get those hashes to begin with from within IPFS and you get back to normal HTTP which... is censorable. Lastly, this also assumes that the one running the node is not arrested either. >Another way to distribute once the data is within China is to do it via private networks built with cjdns or similar Which again, assumes cjdns and other methods do not get people into possibly lethal trouble or aren't censored/outright blocked to begin with. edit: You also forgot about the government blocking IPFS within their own country.

by tscs37 9y ago

StavrosK 9y ago

Even with the firewall, you can't control what's going on inside of China, and you only need one node inside to fetch something from the outside, and that's it.

tscs37 9y ago
You can certainly control incoming traffic to china. And once inside, you are subject to extreme government spying which can easily mean that everyone who gets a hold of unallowed content "vanishes". Furthermore, this is an issue not even encryption can fully solve, you still need to do a key exchange which means you need to either find a source of trust in the other side via sidechannels (aka PKI, TOFU or similar) or you allow everyone to easily intercept the data without much effort (aka skip-verify on TLS) The internet in china is not lacking in surveillance and censorship. This is an issue that even Tor is still chewing on a lot, afaik plain Tor connections in China are not very welcome and even blocked. So unless you claim that your crypt and security is better and more battletested than Tor, I'd say IPFS is anything but censorship resistant.
- diggan 9y ago
  You can always have a USB-stick with the IPFS repository on it, and travel to china, setup your node within and start sharing it. People can trust the data is correct as they request the data based on the hash. Another way to distribute once the data is within China is to do it via private networks built with cjdns or similar
  - tscs37 9y ago
    This assumes that your USB stick doesn't get checked on the airport. Secondly, people can exactly not trust the data because there is no way to trustlessly get those hashes to begin with from within IPFS and you get back to normal HTTP which... is censorable. Lastly, this also assumes that the one running the node is not arrested either. >Another way to distribute once the data is within China is to do it via private networks built with cjdns or similar Which again, assumes cjdns and other methods do not get people into possibly lethal trouble or aren't censored/outright blocked to begin with. edit: You also forgot about the government blocking IPFS within their own country.