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A bigger battery results in greater co2 emissions. Over 17 tons in the case of a model s. 8.2 year worth. A Tesla battery has an 8 year shelf life based on Tesl

by danjoc 9y ago

A bigger battery results in greater co2 emissions. Over 17 tons in the case of a model s. 8.2 year worth. A Tesla battery has an 8 year shelf life based on Tesla's warranty coverage. Nice spin though. https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/battery-technology-guaranteed-8-years-then-what https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/battery-technology-gua...

greglindahl 9y ago
Here's some longevity data on real batteries: http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1110149_tesla-model-s-battery-life-what-the-data-show-so-far http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1110149_tesla-model-s-ba... As you can see, the actual lifetime is projected to be a lot more than 8 years for a typical car. Also, please don't post insults like "Nice spin" on Hacker News. Data works a lot better.
- danjoc 9y ago
  You're still spinning. Your argument is invalid. You're not making a direct comparison. A direct comparison would ask how much CO2 is generated in the production of an internal combustion engine vehicle. A quick search tells me a similar sized sedan, a Ford Mondeo, produces 17 tons of CO2 in the manufacture process. That's about the same as the battery alone on the Tesla. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/2010/sep/23/carbon-footprint-new-car https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/20... You're trying to change the subject. That's what spin doctors do. If you find that insulting, try not spinning instead. I find your anti-science spin insulting. Please don't do that.
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    I'm pointing out an error in the article about the effect of battery weight on CO2, and also your error about Tesla battery lifetime. I have no idea what you think this discussion is about! Have fun name-calling on HN!
namlem 9y ago
The actual life of the cells is much longer than 8 years. It's probably up to double that. Even after the cells degrade to the point where they are no longer useful in cars, they are still perfectly good for stationary storage.

by danjoc 9y ago

greglindahl 9y ago

Here's some longevity data on real batteries: http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1110149_tesla-model-s-battery-life-what-the-data-show-so-far http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1110149_tesla-model-s-ba... As you can see, the actual lifetime is projected to be a lot more than 8 years for a typical car. Also, please don't post insults like "Nice spin" on Hacker News. Data works a lot better.

danjoc 9y ago
You're still spinning. Your argument is invalid. You're not making a direct comparison. A direct comparison would ask how much CO2 is generated in the production of an internal combustion engine vehicle. A quick search tells me a similar sized sedan, a Ford Mondeo, produces 17 tons of CO2 in the manufacture process. That's about the same as the battery alone on the Tesla. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/2010/sep/23/carbon-footprint-new-car https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/20... You're trying to change the subject. That's what spin doctors do. If you find that insulting, try not spinning instead. I find your anti-science spin insulting. Please don't do that.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  I'm pointing out an error in the article about the effect of battery weight on CO2, and also your error about Tesla battery lifetime. I have no idea what you think this discussion is about! Have fun name-calling on HN!

namlem 9y ago

The actual life of the cells is much longer than 8 years. It's probably up to double that. Even after the cells degrade to the point where they are no longer useful in cars, they are still perfectly good for stationary storage.