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"how to avoid a larger part of it" not true though; most of the existing porn will remain where it currently is. New sites might choose to start up with .xxx,

by user24 16y ago

"how to avoid a larger part of it" not true though; most of the existing porn will remain where it currently is. New sites might choose to start up with .xxx, existing big sites might buy the .xxx counterpart and keep their .com. The end result is no reduction in non-.xxx porn, and some extra porn on .xxx. Totally pointless.

jasonlotito 16y ago
The other thing is, most responsible adult companies already work to make sure their sites are labeled clearly as adult-only sites. Parents have options to prevent their children from going to these sites. In fact, these sites are safer for children than Facebook when you get right down to it.
- cookiecaper 16y ago
  It's pretty hard to block these sites because you have to know the domain name/information on each one. Assuming large-scale voluntary compliance, and I think the chances are good that all the "big" producers will move over, it's much easier to just filter the xxx domain and be done with it. Usually the idea is to keep it away from children because children will willfully look at it without understanding. That page that says "Absolutely DO NOT look at this if you're under 18" has no relevance to an under-18 year old. It's the same reason we put all other restraints on teenagers; if they were capable of detecting trouble and reliably refusing to participate therein, then they wouldn't need all of the things that are in place to protect them from themselves, foremost among these being parents.
  - jasonlotito 16y ago
    > It's pretty hard to block these sites because you have to know the domain name/information on each one. No, you do not. There are services out there that assist in this. http://www.cybersitter.com/ http://www.cybersitter.com/ http://www.netnanny.com/ http://www.netnanny.com/ http://www.cyberpatrol.com/ http://www.cyberpatrol.com/ http://www.asacp.org/ http://www.asacp.org/ Couple this with parental controls in Windows and Mac (I'm sure it has it), and you don't have to know each domain. > Assuming large-scale voluntary compliance, and I think the chances are good that all the "big" producers will move over, it's much easier to just filter the xxx domain and be done with it. There already is voluntary compliance amongst the the big producers, as well as the smaller ones. There is no incentive to attract children. These sites have already a vested interest in their current domains. Do you realize the cost involved with moving domains at the scale you are discussing? For what? To do what's already possible and being done? I'd be more worried about sites that you wouldn't think to place in .xxx and yet are in many ways worse (looking at you, reddit!)
    - Groxx 16y ago
      And how about any of the infinite mirrors which aren't the big producers? And do they block RapidShare? Torrents? It's impossible to filter it all (maybe with strong A.I., but show me a porn filter that has that and I'll denounce this claim).
      - jasonlotito 16y ago
        What nonsense are you talking about? What does Rapidshare or Torrents have to do with filtering out porn sites that would use the .xxx TLD? > It's impossible to filter it all And? .xxx won't change that. At all.
        Groxx 16y ago
        Rapidshare hosts a lot of porn. If you're looking to filter the internet for the purity of person X, a random link could lead them through that and to porn. Q.E.D. Similarly, torrents are not always what they're advertised to be. And I wasn't implying it will change the filtering problem. Merely pointing out that it isn't easy, which you implied quite strongly. Schools have been struggling with it since they started (magazines behind books), and paying companies like those large amounts of money for woefully incomplete solutions.
        jasonlotito 16y ago
        > And I wasn't implying it will change the filtering problem. Merely pointing out that it isn't easy, which you implied quite strongly You're taking things out of context, and putting words in my mouth. This is a discussion of the .xxx TLD. My contention is that .xxx won't improve porn blocking precisely because of the reasons you mentioned. There are already tools that do a lot of work to block it, and .xxx isn't going to change anything. The sites that would use .xxx are already blocked. So, a porn sites are already blocked, and will use .xxx just to have it. It won't improve blocking. At the same time, .xxx won't block sites that don't play by the rules, and sites like RapidShare or Reddit, where you can find porn. That's what I've been saying.
    - 16y ago
Sidnicious 16y ago
Ideally, sites will eventually redirect the .com domain to .xxx. Filters will filter it, well-behaving search engines will get rid of the old results, and human-generated links will slowly change over.
- jasonlotito 16y ago
  Which will provide no additional benefit, but will cause additional problems.
arghnoname 16y ago
It doesn't really seem to harm anything either though. Pornographers can argue against regulations due to the increased ease in filtering, even though in practice I'm sure there will still be plenty of porn on the .com's for the forseeable future. You could have 'private mode' automatically engage when on .xxx sites.

by user24 16y ago

jasonlotito 16y ago

The other thing is, most responsible adult companies already work to make sure their sites are labeled clearly as adult-only sites. Parents have options to prevent their children from going to these sites. In fact, these sites are safer for children than Facebook when you get right down to it.

cookiecaper 16y ago
It's pretty hard to block these sites because you have to know the domain name/information on each one. Assuming large-scale voluntary compliance, and I think the chances are good that all the "big" producers will move over, it's much easier to just filter the xxx domain and be done with it. Usually the idea is to keep it away from children because children will willfully look at it without understanding. That page that says "Absolutely DO NOT look at this if you're under 18" has no relevance to an under-18 year old. It's the same reason we put all other restraints on teenagers; if they were capable of detecting trouble and reliably refusing to participate therein, then they wouldn't need all of the things that are in place to protect them from themselves, foremost among these being parents.
- jasonlotito 16y ago
  > It's pretty hard to block these sites because you have to know the domain name/information on each one. No, you do not. There are services out there that assist in this. http://www.cybersitter.com/ http://www.cybersitter.com/ http://www.netnanny.com/ http://www.netnanny.com/ http://www.cyberpatrol.com/ http://www.cyberpatrol.com/ http://www.asacp.org/ http://www.asacp.org/ Couple this with parental controls in Windows and Mac (I'm sure it has it), and you don't have to know each domain. > Assuming large-scale voluntary compliance, and I think the chances are good that all the "big" producers will move over, it's much easier to just filter the xxx domain and be done with it. There already is voluntary compliance amongst the the big producers, as well as the smaller ones. There is no incentive to attract children. These sites have already a vested interest in their current domains. Do you realize the cost involved with moving domains at the scale you are discussing? For what? To do what's already possible and being done? I'd be more worried about sites that you wouldn't think to place in .xxx and yet are in many ways worse (looking at you, reddit!)
  - Groxx 16y ago
    And how about any of the infinite mirrors which aren't the big producers? And do they block RapidShare? Torrents? It's impossible to filter it all (maybe with strong A.I., but show me a porn filter that has that and I'll denounce this claim).
    - jasonlotito 16y ago
      What nonsense are you talking about? What does Rapidshare or Torrents have to do with filtering out porn sites that would use the .xxx TLD? > It's impossible to filter it all And? .xxx won't change that. At all.
      - Groxx 16y ago
        Rapidshare hosts a lot of porn. If you're looking to filter the internet for the purity of person X, a random link could lead them through that and to porn. Q.E.D. Similarly, torrents are not always what they're advertised to be. And I wasn't implying it will change the filtering problem. Merely pointing out that it isn't easy, which you implied quite strongly. Schools have been struggling with it since they started (magazines behind books), and paying companies like those large amounts of money for woefully incomplete solutions.
        jasonlotito 16y ago
        > And I wasn't implying it will change the filtering problem. Merely pointing out that it isn't easy, which you implied quite strongly You're taking things out of context, and putting words in my mouth. This is a discussion of the .xxx TLD. My contention is that .xxx won't improve porn blocking precisely because of the reasons you mentioned. There are already tools that do a lot of work to block it, and .xxx isn't going to change anything. The sites that would use .xxx are already blocked. So, a porn sites are already blocked, and will use .xxx just to have it. It won't improve blocking. At the same time, .xxx won't block sites that don't play by the rules, and sites like RapidShare or Reddit, where you can find porn. That's what I've been saying.
  - 16y ago

Sidnicious 16y ago

Ideally, sites will eventually redirect the .com domain to .xxx. Filters will filter it, well-behaving search engines will get rid of the old results, and human-generated links will slowly change over.

jasonlotito 16y ago
Which will provide no additional benefit, but will cause additional problems.

arghnoname 16y ago

It doesn't really seem to harm anything either though. Pornographers can argue against regulations due to the increased ease in filtering, even though in practice I'm sure there will still be plenty of porn on the .com's for the forseeable future. You could have 'private mode' automatically engage when on .xxx sites.