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Sure, but the claim is extraordinary and requires extraordinary evidence

by austenallred 9y ago

smileysteve 9y ago
By this point, it is clear that Eric Holder found at least some evidence.
- dllthomas 9y ago
  Evidence of problems, yes. Evidence of "one of the most insanely hostile work environments in living memory, where flouting not just the law, but also basic standards of human decency, was not only accepted but encouraged at all levels of the company"?
stale2002 9y ago
Extraordinary evidence such as basically every C level executive being ousted? Extraordinary evidence, such as the company itself doing a thorough investigation, finding lots of problems, and then publishing those problems? Uber itself has shouted to the world that the problems existed, and that they are working to fix them. I am not sure what other kind of evidence you could get, that is better than the company itself saying that there is a problem.
- CamelCaseName 9y ago
  Perhaps there is something else they are taking the focus away from. (Otto/Google)
- DonHopkins 9y ago
  And David Bonderman interrupting Arianna Huffington with a sexist remark and personifying that problem on stage during the all-hands meeting. It doesn't get more extraordinary than that!
DonHopkins 9y ago
You don't think it was extraordinary that David Bonderman interrupted Arianna Huffington to make a crude sexist remark about how he believes women on the board talk too much, during the all-hands meeting to unveil Uber’s plan for overhauling its corporate culture? Yes, Uber board member David Bonderman said women talk too much at an all-hands meeting about sexism at Uber: https://www.recode.net/2017/6/13/15795612/uber-board-member-david-bonderman-women-talk-too-much-sexism https://www.recode.net/2017/6/13/15795612/uber-board-member-... It's not fake news. It's not contested. He resigned in disgrace, because HE talked too much. You can listen to the audio yourself. It starts at 6:37. LEAKED AUDIO: Uber's all-hands meeting had some uncomfortable moments: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/inside-ubers-hands-meeting-travis-194232221.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw https://finance.yahoo.com/news/inside-ubers-hands-meeting-tr... Arianna Huffington: "And there is a lot of data that shows that when there is one woman on the board, it's much more likely that there will be a second woman on the board." David Bonderman: "Actually what it shows is that it's much more likely to be more talking." What he just did in front of the entire company at the worst possible moment is strong first hand evidence that speaks directly to the fact that the cause of Uber's horrible track record of sexism deeply pervades its board of directors. Making a remark like that at a time like that isn't just an anomaly out of the blue -- it reveals his true character and Uber's true culture. It was nothing short of a vicious unfounded public personal attack on Arianna Huffington, Wan Ling Martello, and all of Uber's female employees. David Bonderman Resigns From Uber Board After Sexist Remark: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/technology/uber-sexual-harassment-huffington-bonderman.html?mcubz=2 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/technology/uber-sexual-ha... "Mr. Bonderman’s original comments, according to experts, also lack merit. Tali Mendelberg, professor of politics at Princeton University, and Christopher Karpowitz, an associate professor of political science at Brigham Young University, conducted a study in 2012 concluding that men talked far more than women did at meetings. The professors convened 94 groups of five people and varied the number of men and women in the groups. Their study is in line with multiple others drawing similar conclusions — men talk more than women, and men interrupt more than women. “The study shows that men will dominate the conversation if there are more men than women in the group, and they dominate by a lot,” Ms. Mendelberg said in an interview. “When you have just two women in the group, those women are much more silent than men are.” Uber’s board of directors was composed entirely of men until 2016, when Ms. Huffington gained a seat. This week Uber said another woman had been added to the board: Wan Ling Martello, the executive vice president of Nestle in Asia."

Sure, but the claim is extraordinary and requires extraordinary evidence

smileysteve 9y ago

By this point, it is clear that Eric Holder found at least some evidence.

dllthomas 9y ago
Evidence of problems, yes. Evidence of "one of the most insanely hostile work environments in living memory, where flouting not just the law, but also basic standards of human decency, was not only accepted but encouraged at all levels of the company"?

stale2002 9y ago

Extraordinary evidence such as basically every C level executive being ousted? Extraordinary evidence, such as the company itself doing a thorough investigation, finding lots of problems, and then publishing those problems? Uber itself has shouted to the world that the problems existed, and that they are working to fix them. I am not sure what other kind of evidence you could get, that is better than the company itself saying that there is a problem.

CamelCaseName 9y ago
Perhaps there is something else they are taking the focus away from. (Otto/Google)
DonHopkins 9y ago
And David Bonderman interrupting Arianna Huffington with a sexist remark and personifying that problem on stage during the all-hands meeting. It doesn't get more extraordinary than that!

DonHopkins 9y ago

You don't think it was extraordinary that David Bonderman interrupted Arianna Huffington to make a crude sexist remark about how he believes women on the board talk too much, during the all-hands meeting to unveil Uber’s plan for overhauling its corporate culture? Yes, Uber board member David Bonderman said women talk too much at an all-hands meeting about sexism at Uber: https://www.recode.net/2017/6/13/15795612/uber-board-member-david-bonderman-women-talk-too-much-sexism https://www.recode.net/2017/6/13/15795612/uber-board-member-... It's not fake news. It's not contested. He resigned in disgrace, because HE talked too much. You can listen to the audio yourself. It starts at 6:37. LEAKED AUDIO: Uber's all-hands meeting had some uncomfortable moments: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/inside-ubers-hands-meeting-travis-194232221.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw https://finance.yahoo.com/news/inside-ubers-hands-meeting-tr... Arianna Huffington: "And there is a lot of data that shows that when there is one woman on the board, it's much more likely that there will be a second woman on the board." David Bonderman: "Actually what it shows is that it's much more likely to be more talking." What he just did in front of the entire company at the worst possible moment is strong first hand evidence that speaks directly to the fact that the cause of Uber's horrible track record of sexism deeply pervades its board of directors. Making a remark like that at a time like that isn't just an anomaly out of the blue -- it reveals his true character and Uber's true culture. It was nothing short of a vicious unfounded public personal attack on Arianna Huffington, Wan Ling Martello, and all of Uber's female employees. David Bonderman Resigns From Uber Board After Sexist Remark: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/technology/uber-sexual-harassment-huffington-bonderman.html?mcubz=2 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/technology/uber-sexual-ha... "Mr. Bonderman’s original comments, according to experts, also lack merit. Tali Mendelberg, professor of politics at Princeton University, and Christopher Karpowitz, an associate professor of political science at Brigham Young University, conducted a study in 2012 concluding that men talked far more than women did at meetings. The professors convened 94 groups of five people and varied the number of men and women in the groups. Their study is in line with multiple others drawing similar conclusions — men talk more than women, and men interrupt more than women. “The study shows that men will dominate the conversation if there are more men than women in the group, and they dominate by a lot,” Ms. Mendelberg said in an interview. “When you have just two women in the group, those women are much more silent than men are.” Uber’s board of directors was composed entirely of men until 2016, when Ms. Huffington gained a seat. This week Uber said another woman had been added to the board: Wan Ling Martello, the executive vice president of Nestle in Asia."