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Care to elaborate? As a patriot I think it is more disgusting to have no consideration for my fellow countrymen.

by soldierofhayley 9y ago

andrepd 9y ago
How on earth does "IQ testing" and "consideration to fellow countrymen" even relate? I cannot fathom the connection.
- soldierofhayley 9y ago
  Who do you think pays for the unintelligent people in the welfare society the left envisions? Additionally I do find it rather amusing the left complains that the only reason they don’t win is because of stupid people, and then insists on bringing in the least intelligent immigrants possible, something doesn’t quite add up.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > Additionally I do find it rather amusing the left complains that the only reason they don’t win is because of stupid people "The left" doesn't do that, a small minority of the people on the left do. > and then insists on bringing in the least intelligent immigrants possible Even fewer (like zero) people on the left advocate specifically for “bringing in the least intelligent immigrants possible.”
    - HalteMich 9y ago
      True. It's the right that sees "liberals" as stupid. The other side sees "conservatives" as "evil". Pick your religious fanaticism wisely.
  - gnaritas 9y ago
    The "left" is not a single person with a single position, by treating it as such, you're sealing yourself into a personal delusion about others that might make you feel good, but simply isn't accurate. And using derogatory terms like "welfare society" merely shows your own political bias. You know why the "left" confuses you, it's because you don't actually bother to try and understand them; you're happy simply mis-characterizing them in this cartoon'ish manner.
    - HalteMich 9y ago
      The "right" has simply given up. Look at how the media portrays anyone with "traditional values". Turn on any HBO show to get a glimpse of the condescension (True Detective??). Attempts to shut down Chick-fil-A in various states. Courts that overturn propositions despite widespread support amongst voters even in the most liberal of states. Violent attacks at universities against non-liberal academics and speakers. I've watched American politics for years. There have never been any olive branches extended by the left. And even when the republicans own congress they somehow have to cede control to the democrat (see Obama years for reference). If one were to criticize Obama for his horrendous Middle East policies or his unwillingness to fire AG Eric Holder, s/he would be called racist, bigot, homophobe etc etc etc. Anyone that is on the "right" has essentially checked out now. Good luck getting them back. Also, the left is just about as good as one person. How could so many people with disparate views that are often in conflict vote as a unified block with such great ease?
      - soldierofhayley 9y ago
        I love that we all have to create alt accounts to say what we truly believe. The left is truly vicious to any diverse viewpoints.
        HalteMich 9y ago
        Exactly. And they wonder why there are frog outposts sprouting up everywhere...
      - gnaritas 9y ago
        Interesting how you're misstating the rights attempts to oppress other people as "traditional values" or the courts protecting minorities as overturning the will of the people; it's easy to dress up bad behavior from the right in vague accusations against the left to deflect from the problem that is actually the right just being awful. > Attempts to shut down Chick-fil-A in various states. That's what happens when come out publicly as a pro-oppression organization, you're going to get blow-back from those trying to escape said oppression; this is hardly surprising or unwarranted. There's no reason a restaurant needed to take an anti-gay stance, crying about those actions having consequences is just silly. > There have never been any olive branches extended by the left. That's simply so untrue one can't even take it seriously. Obama continually attempted to work with the right so much so that one of the biggest critiques from his own party was stop trying to cooperate with them when they're doing nothing but obstructing anyway. He even passed a Republican health care law in a failed attempt to get bipartisan support on the issue. > And even when the republicans own congress they somehow have to cede control to the democrat (see Obama years for reference). They did no such thing, they obstructed for 6 years straight, they didn't cede anything. They filibustered so much they quite literally broke the government and started a new era of "no cooperation at all" that we're going to be paying for for the rest of our lives. You're right, the "right" has given up; they've given up any connection to reality and an awareness of their own behavior and how awful it is. Oppression doesn't simply become acceptable because you label it "traditional values".
  - andrepd 9y ago
    >the left Oh, you're that guy. >Who do you think pays for the unintelligent people in the welfare society the left envisions? If there is one thing that is almost absolutely uncorrelated with IQ is income, so that twisted and repulsive worldview is immedeately shattered by contact with reality. > I do find it rather amusing the left complains that the only reason they don’t win is because of stupid people Show me where voting right-wing is correlated with low IQ test scores. > bringing in the least intelligent immigrants possible Ditto. (Because immigrants are dumb simpletons, the lot of them) Frankly disgusting.
    - HalteMich 9y ago
      I think you're right about the IQ. I believe Nate Silver addressed the fact that Trump voters were generally more well off and educated than supporters of Hillary and Bernie. Also, Democrat policy making going back to Ted Kennedy has favored poorly educated immigrants from Southeast Asia, Africa and South America in particular. This is a fact and worth researching if you're at all confused about it. Also, these immigrants have been shown to vote roughly 4 to 1 in favor of Democrats.
      - andrepd 9y ago
        RE: education, that's not what it says here https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/e...
      - andrepd 9y ago
        RE: education, that's not what it says here https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/e...
gnaritas 9y ago
> Care to elaborate? Sure, IQ is not a valid measure of a human being, certainly not one with which to decide to exclude those seeking a home. > As a patriot Equally disgusting, patriotism is just another form of tribalism and bigotry. Patriotism, aka nationalism, isn't a thing to be proud of, it's a thing that causes hate and conflict in the world. You don't choose the country of your birth, it isn't an accomplishment to be proud of, you had nothing to do with it.

Care to elaborate? As a patriot I think it is more disgusting to have no consideration for my fellow countrymen.

andrepd 9y ago

How on earth does "IQ testing" and "consideration to fellow countrymen" even relate? I cannot fathom the connection.

soldierofhayley 9y ago
Who do you think pays for the unintelligent people in the welfare society the left envisions? Additionally I do find it rather amusing the left complains that the only reason they don’t win is because of stupid people, and then insists on bringing in the least intelligent immigrants possible, something doesn’t quite add up.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > Additionally I do find it rather amusing the left complains that the only reason they don’t win is because of stupid people "The left" doesn't do that, a small minority of the people on the left do. > and then insists on bringing in the least intelligent immigrants possible Even fewer (like zero) people on the left advocate specifically for “bringing in the least intelligent immigrants possible.”
  - HalteMich 9y ago
    True. It's the right that sees "liberals" as stupid. The other side sees "conservatives" as "evil". Pick your religious fanaticism wisely.
- gnaritas 9y ago
  The "left" is not a single person with a single position, by treating it as such, you're sealing yourself into a personal delusion about others that might make you feel good, but simply isn't accurate. And using derogatory terms like "welfare society" merely shows your own political bias. You know why the "left" confuses you, it's because you don't actually bother to try and understand them; you're happy simply mis-characterizing them in this cartoon'ish manner.
  - HalteMich 9y ago
    The "right" has simply given up. Look at how the media portrays anyone with "traditional values". Turn on any HBO show to get a glimpse of the condescension (True Detective??). Attempts to shut down Chick-fil-A in various states. Courts that overturn propositions despite widespread support amongst voters even in the most liberal of states. Violent attacks at universities against non-liberal academics and speakers. I've watched American politics for years. There have never been any olive branches extended by the left. And even when the republicans own congress they somehow have to cede control to the democrat (see Obama years for reference). If one were to criticize Obama for his horrendous Middle East policies or his unwillingness to fire AG Eric Holder, s/he would be called racist, bigot, homophobe etc etc etc. Anyone that is on the "right" has essentially checked out now. Good luck getting them back. Also, the left is just about as good as one person. How could so many people with disparate views that are often in conflict vote as a unified block with such great ease?
    - soldierofhayley 9y ago
      I love that we all have to create alt accounts to say what we truly believe. The left is truly vicious to any diverse viewpoints.
      - HalteMich 9y ago
        Exactly. And they wonder why there are frog outposts sprouting up everywhere...
    - gnaritas 9y ago
      Interesting how you're misstating the rights attempts to oppress other people as "traditional values" or the courts protecting minorities as overturning the will of the people; it's easy to dress up bad behavior from the right in vague accusations against the left to deflect from the problem that is actually the right just being awful. > Attempts to shut down Chick-fil-A in various states. That's what happens when come out publicly as a pro-oppression organization, you're going to get blow-back from those trying to escape said oppression; this is hardly surprising or unwarranted. There's no reason a restaurant needed to take an anti-gay stance, crying about those actions having consequences is just silly. > There have never been any olive branches extended by the left. That's simply so untrue one can't even take it seriously. Obama continually attempted to work with the right so much so that one of the biggest critiques from his own party was stop trying to cooperate with them when they're doing nothing but obstructing anyway. He even passed a Republican health care law in a failed attempt to get bipartisan support on the issue. > And even when the republicans own congress they somehow have to cede control to the democrat (see Obama years for reference). They did no such thing, they obstructed for 6 years straight, they didn't cede anything. They filibustered so much they quite literally broke the government and started a new era of "no cooperation at all" that we're going to be paying for for the rest of our lives. You're right, the "right" has given up; they've given up any connection to reality and an awareness of their own behavior and how awful it is. Oppression doesn't simply become acceptable because you label it "traditional values".
- andrepd 9y ago
  >the left Oh, you're that guy. >Who do you think pays for the unintelligent people in the welfare society the left envisions? If there is one thing that is almost absolutely uncorrelated with IQ is income, so that twisted and repulsive worldview is immedeately shattered by contact with reality. > I do find it rather amusing the left complains that the only reason they don’t win is because of stupid people Show me where voting right-wing is correlated with low IQ test scores. > bringing in the least intelligent immigrants possible Ditto. (Because immigrants are dumb simpletons, the lot of them) Frankly disgusting.
  - HalteMich 9y ago
    I think you're right about the IQ. I believe Nate Silver addressed the fact that Trump voters were generally more well off and educated than supporters of Hillary and Bernie. Also, Democrat policy making going back to Ted Kennedy has favored poorly educated immigrants from Southeast Asia, Africa and South America in particular. This is a fact and worth researching if you're at all confused about it. Also, these immigrants have been shown to vote roughly 4 to 1 in favor of Democrats.
    - andrepd 9y ago
      RE: education, that's not what it says here https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/e...
    - andrepd 9y ago
      RE: education, that's not what it says here https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/e...

gnaritas 9y ago

> Care to elaborate? Sure, IQ is not a valid measure of a human being, certainly not one with which to decide to exclude those seeking a home. > As a patriot Equally disgusting, patriotism is just another form of tribalism and bigotry. Patriotism, aka nationalism, isn't a thing to be proud of, it's a thing that causes hate and conflict in the world. You don't choose the country of your birth, it isn't an accomplishment to be proud of, you had nothing to do with it.