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> I bet if you are ever on the receiving end of a false accusation you will be singing a different tune. I don't know, I could say the same about women and men

> I bet if you are ever on the receiving end of a false accusation you will be singing a different tune. I don't know, I could say the same about women and men who show up to work and just want to do their jobs without coworkers trying to grope them, make lewd comments, withhold promotions or offer interesting work only in exchange for sexual favors. That seems pretty unfair too and we hear about that happening far more often than we hear about people being unjustly accused. I'm a rich white guy, if someone makes a false accusation against me and I have to leave a company, tough luck; I'll be OK. Obviously I would prefer if people do not make false accusations, and a company should try in the event of any allegation to determine whether it has a factual basis. But if it's a he said she said situation I am going to side with the accuser. The wild thing is that the situation you are describing happens literally weekly in tech - prominent women do shout about the unfairness of it all, about reporting harassment and having nothing happen, or being forced out of companies after reporting. Many women choose to leave.

macspoofing 9y ago
>I'm a rich white guy, if someone makes a false accusation against me and I have to leave a company, tough luck; I'll be OK. Ah. Isn't that perfect. It's great you're rich and your life could never be ruined by false accusations. Screw everyone else eh? >But if it's a he said she said situation I am going to side with the accuser That's insane. >The wild thing is that the situation you are describing happens literally weekly in tech - prominent women do shout about the unfairness of it all, about reporting harassment and having nothing happen, or being forced out of companies after reporting. Many women choose to leave You keep saying things like this but at some point you may want to back it up with some real numbers otherwise I'll just assume you're making things up.
- kevinburke 9y ago
  > at some point you may want to back it up with some real numbers Off my recent twitter feed... maybe I'll start saving these when people ask for proof https://twitter.com/jilljubs/status/874985023350472704 https://twitter.com/jilljubs/status/874985023350472704 https://twitter.com/aprilwensel/status/875104375244414977 https://twitter.com/aprilwensel/status/875104375244414977 https://twitter.com/paulcbetts/status/723595214875578368 https://twitter.com/paulcbetts/status/723595214875578368
  - macspoofing 9y ago
    Tech industry employs hundreds of thousands of people, and that's California alone. That number gets up into millions if you include the United States ... And your proof are anecdotes??? Random? No. Self-selected to confirm your bias? Yes! Jesus. You have no idea do you? You just feeeel you must be right. Edit: I want to add that I'm genuinely interested in knowing if a) there is a problem and b) the scope of the problem. Tech industry is one of the most progressive out there and tech hubs are based in very progressive regions - so what are we talking about here? All I see is people like you who not only have nothing to back up their claims with but also want to push for insane policies based on non-existent evidence ( policies which you admitted will never hurt you due to your wealth ).
    - kevinburke 9y ago
      According to a 2016 survey 60% of women in tech in SV reported an unwanted advance. Of those, 65% were from a superior (always inappropriate). One third of women reported feeling unsafe at the workplace. This is why I default to believing reports of harassment https://techcrunch.com/2016/01/11/elephant-in-the-valley-survey-sheds-light-on-issues-women-face-in-tech/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/01/11/elephant-in-the-valley-sur... Not exactly hard to find. We can quibble about the exact percentages and the methodology but the odds of the real percentage being close to 0 when ~50% of women reported an inappropriate advance from a superior are nil. You're asking for a completely unreasonable standard to be upheld. If an employee said they got mugged and their laptop was missing, you wouldn't start asking if they were out late at night, were they drinking, "why did you put yourself in that situation," we'll replace your laptop the next time you lose it, etc, you'd say "that's awful" and replace their laptop.

macspoofing 9y ago

>I'm a rich white guy, if someone makes a false accusation against me and I have to leave a company, tough luck; I'll be OK. Ah. Isn't that perfect. It's great you're rich and your life could never be ruined by false accusations. Screw everyone else eh? >But if it's a he said she said situation I am going to side with the accuser That's insane. >The wild thing is that the situation you are describing happens literally weekly in tech - prominent women do shout about the unfairness of it all, about reporting harassment and having nothing happen, or being forced out of companies after reporting. Many women choose to leave You keep saying things like this but at some point you may want to back it up with some real numbers otherwise I'll just assume you're making things up.

kevinburke 9y ago
> at some point you may want to back it up with some real numbers Off my recent twitter feed... maybe I'll start saving these when people ask for proof https://twitter.com/jilljubs/status/874985023350472704 https://twitter.com/jilljubs/status/874985023350472704 https://twitter.com/aprilwensel/status/875104375244414977 https://twitter.com/aprilwensel/status/875104375244414977 https://twitter.com/paulcbetts/status/723595214875578368 https://twitter.com/paulcbetts/status/723595214875578368
- macspoofing 9y ago
  Tech industry employs hundreds of thousands of people, and that's California alone. That number gets up into millions if you include the United States ... And your proof are anecdotes??? Random? No. Self-selected to confirm your bias? Yes! Jesus. You have no idea do you? You just feeeel you must be right. Edit: I want to add that I'm genuinely interested in knowing if a) there is a problem and b) the scope of the problem. Tech industry is one of the most progressive out there and tech hubs are based in very progressive regions - so what are we talking about here? All I see is people like you who not only have nothing to back up their claims with but also want to push for insane policies based on non-existent evidence ( policies which you admitted will never hurt you due to your wealth ).
  - kevinburke 9y ago
    According to a 2016 survey 60% of women in tech in SV reported an unwanted advance. Of those, 65% were from a superior (always inappropriate). One third of women reported feeling unsafe at the workplace. This is why I default to believing reports of harassment https://techcrunch.com/2016/01/11/elephant-in-the-valley-survey-sheds-light-on-issues-women-face-in-tech/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/01/11/elephant-in-the-valley-sur... Not exactly hard to find. We can quibble about the exact percentages and the methodology but the odds of the real percentage being close to 0 when ~50% of women reported an inappropriate advance from a superior are nil. You're asking for a completely unreasonable standard to be upheld. If an employee said they got mugged and their laptop was missing, you wouldn't start asking if they were out late at night, were they drinking, "why did you put yourself in that situation," we'll replace your laptop the next time you lose it, etc, you'd say "that's awful" and replace their laptop.