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Racism and poverty are related.

muninn_ 9y ago
Sure, care to elaborate or were you just doing a drive-by?
ferentchak 9y ago
Agreed. If we address poverty it will remove most racism. Most racism is classism in disguise. Heck, most people confuse the two when they are being discussed. //edited to remove an extra 'in'.
- refurb 9y ago
  Asian Americans have a higher per capita income than whites. Does that mean Asians are no longer discriminated against?
  - mkagenius 9y ago
    Probably all the more reasons to get discriminated. Racisms comes as different forms some are due to insecurity and some are due to false beliefs.
  - ragequitregrets 9y ago
    Is this under the assumption that whites aren't discriminated against? Because ooooooweeee is that a invalid assumption. Especially in this day and age. I feel as if I'm not allowed to talk anymore because my white male view is suppressing the minorities. And I'm not joking or being snarky, I've been made to feel this way through several racist (towards white people GASP!) remarks.
    - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
      'Remarks' is not the same as 'discrimination', just saying.
    - deleted 9y ago
      [deleted]
    - anigbrowl 9y ago
      I feel as if I'm not allowed to talk anymore I understand that. But have you considered the possibility that people in other categories have felt that way the whole time, and have only recently reached a level of confidence and/or frustration that they're willing to be openly dismissive of your viewpoint? Put another way, this not-so-great but relatively new reality for you has been the norm for many other groups of people and they're sick of it and have stopped playing along with it. That's not your fault, and indeed it is frustrating to be treated as a category member instead of an individual, but the discrimination those people previously experienced wasn't their fault either.
  - keeganmccallum 9y ago
    The key word to note in the comment above is MOST. Finding a counter example doesn't invalidate the point
  - antisthenes 9y ago
    It means Asian Americans aren't being discriminated against in social and professional circles with comparable income levels.
Mikeb85 9y ago
Yes, and you can fix it by fixing poverty. Not by calling poor people racists.
- Jtsummers 9y ago
  Poor people aren't racist (well, some are, racism knows no class boundaries), but many minorities are in poverty due to racist policies (or their families were pushed into poverty by said policies and the poverty cycle is incredibly hard to break out of, even if the policies have been largely removed or mitigated).
  - Mikeb85 9y ago
    So fix it then. There's this cycle in American politics of simply regurgitating talking points and not fixing problems. And yes, minorities in the US often live in poor neighbourhoods. But there's also a large, poor white working class too. Keep in mind that under Obama, the relative wealth (percent share of aggregate wealth) of minorities and the white working class actually decreased. While I have no doubt racist policies have contributed to the misfortune of some, when you look at wealth distribution in the US the problem is far bigger than most people think, and spans all races.
    - soundwave106 9y ago
      Ultimately the question is whether US politics can break out of their current tribalism. Agreed that it is not fair to throw around the racism word casually, but it is absolutely worth noting that both parties in the United States have used tribal type tactics (including racial-based appeals) to obtain votes from various groups. Regarding poverty, the GOP is currently (roughly speaking) an alliance between working class whites and business interests. Economically, the business interest side heavily dominates GOP policy at the moment. As far as poverty reduction goes, if you believe in either government oriented safety net solutions or other collective type structures (eg unions), this current political relationship sticks out like a sore thumb as being very counterproductive towards poverty reduction. Unfortunately, it appears that tribalism triumphs economic policy as a motivating factor at the moment. I will say an additional thought: With the recent vote in France, I am wondering if the situation is somewhat more dynamic and fluid than this paper lets on. The Netherlands and France were only mentioned in passing, but it seems like the recent result in France actually produced an "anti-establishment" movement that also happened to be "pro-globalization" and "liberal" (in the classic economic sense). This sort of "populism" doesn't seem to be reflected in the paper.
throwawaymanbot 9y ago
Theres plenty of rich old white guys. They only vote GOP. Racist is an uncouth word to use in their opinion. But a spade is a spade! They are 100% Racist. (Small R however)
- dang 9y ago
  Please don't post political flamebait here.
  - throwawaymanbot 9y ago
    Sorry Dang.

Sure, care to elaborate or were you just doing a drive-by?

Agreed. If we address poverty it will remove most racism. Most racism is classism in disguise. Heck, most people confuse the two when they are being discussed. //edited to remove an extra 'in'.

refurb 9y ago
Asian Americans have a higher per capita income than whites. Does that mean Asians are no longer discriminated against?
- mkagenius 9y ago
  Probably all the more reasons to get discriminated. Racisms comes as different forms some are due to insecurity and some are due to false beliefs.
- ragequitregrets 9y ago
  Is this under the assumption that whites aren't discriminated against? Because ooooooweeee is that a invalid assumption. Especially in this day and age. I feel as if I'm not allowed to talk anymore because my white male view is suppressing the minorities. And I'm not joking or being snarky, I've been made to feel this way through several racist (towards white people GASP!) remarks.
  - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
    'Remarks' is not the same as 'discrimination', just saying.
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - anigbrowl 9y ago
    I feel as if I'm not allowed to talk anymore I understand that. But have you considered the possibility that people in other categories have felt that way the whole time, and have only recently reached a level of confidence and/or frustration that they're willing to be openly dismissive of your viewpoint? Put another way, this not-so-great but relatively new reality for you has been the norm for many other groups of people and they're sick of it and have stopped playing along with it. That's not your fault, and indeed it is frustrating to be treated as a category member instead of an individual, but the discrimination those people previously experienced wasn't their fault either.
- keeganmccallum 9y ago
  The key word to note in the comment above is MOST. Finding a counter example doesn't invalidate the point
- antisthenes 9y ago
  It means Asian Americans aren't being discriminated against in social and professional circles with comparable income levels.

Mikeb85 9y ago

Yes, and you can fix it by fixing poverty. Not by calling poor people racists.

Jtsummers 9y ago
Poor people aren't racist (well, some are, racism knows no class boundaries), but many minorities are in poverty due to racist policies (or their families were pushed into poverty by said policies and the poverty cycle is incredibly hard to break out of, even if the policies have been largely removed or mitigated).
- Mikeb85 9y ago
  So fix it then. There's this cycle in American politics of simply regurgitating talking points and not fixing problems. And yes, minorities in the US often live in poor neighbourhoods. But there's also a large, poor white working class too. Keep in mind that under Obama, the relative wealth (percent share of aggregate wealth) of minorities and the white working class actually decreased. While I have no doubt racist policies have contributed to the misfortune of some, when you look at wealth distribution in the US the problem is far bigger than most people think, and spans all races.
  - soundwave106 9y ago
    Ultimately the question is whether US politics can break out of their current tribalism. Agreed that it is not fair to throw around the racism word casually, but it is absolutely worth noting that both parties in the United States have used tribal type tactics (including racial-based appeals) to obtain votes from various groups. Regarding poverty, the GOP is currently (roughly speaking) an alliance between working class whites and business interests. Economically, the business interest side heavily dominates GOP policy at the moment. As far as poverty reduction goes, if you believe in either government oriented safety net solutions or other collective type structures (eg unions), this current political relationship sticks out like a sore thumb as being very counterproductive towards poverty reduction. Unfortunately, it appears that tribalism triumphs economic policy as a motivating factor at the moment. I will say an additional thought: With the recent vote in France, I am wondering if the situation is somewhat more dynamic and fluid than this paper lets on. The Netherlands and France were only mentioned in passing, but it seems like the recent result in France actually produced an "anti-establishment" movement that also happened to be "pro-globalization" and "liberal" (in the classic economic sense). This sort of "populism" doesn't seem to be reflected in the paper.

throwawaymanbot 9y ago

Theres plenty of rich old white guys. They only vote GOP. Racist is an uncouth word to use in their opinion. But a spade is a spade! They are 100% Racist. (Small R however)

dang 9y ago
Please don't post political flamebait here.
- throwawaymanbot 9y ago
  Sorry Dang.