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Meanwhile in the Czech Republic, for caa 50$ a month (for a person making minimum wage, it's double that for median wage workers) there is no copay on anything

Meanwhile in the Czech Republic, for caa 50$ a month (for a person making minimum wage, it's double that for median wage workers) there is no copay on anything and the insurance covers everything including sex change surgery (but not facelifts and dental)...

vxNsr 9y ago
I always chuckle when I see people compare what amount to 3rd world countries with the US system, my mother was trained and worked in Moscow's largest hospital. The shenanigans that went on there, the level of training and expected knowledge of staff, the baseline expected standard of care all don't even hold a candle to what she had to reach to be considered competent in the US. On top of that I don't know if this applies to CR as much as other European countries, but homogeneous populations really are easier to care for and create actuarial tables around than the stew of the US; when people bring Sweden with its <50 million pop of white people with very similar ancestry to prove their method might work, they ignore how medicine and the whole industry actually is practiced (and needs to be practiced). Let's wait 20-30 years now that they've taken in 1.5 million refugees from a very different background who are projected to grow 3x faster than the current population before we start trying to emulate unproven theories.
- germanier 9y ago
  Then take a look at other countries: The German system was introduced 130 years ago[0], survived multiple forms of government, two world wars, the incorporation of a former socialist country, multiple waves of immigration, and still provides excellent care. It just works. (And modern medicine is not yet at a level where ethnicity is a relevant factor when deciding treatment options.) [0]: By highly conservatives by the way, to fight the rising social democrats
  - timthelion 9y ago
    > (And modern medicine is not yet at a level where ethnicity is a relevant factor when deciding treatment options.) Perhaps OP was refering to the fact that the decendets of slaves in America are MUCH less healthy than the rest of the population.[1] [1] http://archive.independentmail.com/features/columnists/what-specific-health-concerns-exist-for-african-americans-ep-411884270-348754091.html http://archive.independentmail.com/features/columnists/what-...
- timthelion 9y ago
  I honestly don't know how mixed ancestry and the difficulty of producing actuary tables actually affects whether a system can function. Statistically, over a population of that size, it is a wash and the worse that can happen, is that there would be a procentual change in the overall cost. Furthermore, the French have had a mixed populace for many decades [1] and their system still works (though it is different than that of the Czech Republic and Germany). The Czech Republic places 33rd by life expectancy, behind the US by just half a year [2], so if the health care in Czechia is on the level of a 3rd world country than so is the US'. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_France#Before_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_France#Before_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expe...

vxNsr 9y ago

I always chuckle when I see people compare what amount to 3rd world countries with the US system, my mother was trained and worked in Moscow's largest hospital. The shenanigans that went on there, the level of training and expected knowledge of staff, the baseline expected standard of care all don't even hold a candle to what she had to reach to be considered competent in the US. On top of that I don't know if this applies to CR as much as other European countries, but homogeneous populations really are easier to care for and create actuarial tables around than the stew of the US; when people bring Sweden with its <50 million pop of white people with very similar ancestry to prove their method might work, they ignore how medicine and the whole industry actually is practiced (and needs to be practiced). Let's wait 20-30 years now that they've taken in 1.5 million refugees from a very different background who are projected to grow 3x faster than the current population before we start trying to emulate unproven theories.

germanier 9y ago
Then take a look at other countries: The German system was introduced 130 years ago[0], survived multiple forms of government, two world wars, the incorporation of a former socialist country, multiple waves of immigration, and still provides excellent care. It just works. (And modern medicine is not yet at a level where ethnicity is a relevant factor when deciding treatment options.) [0]: By highly conservatives by the way, to fight the rising social democrats
- timthelion 9y ago
  > (And modern medicine is not yet at a level where ethnicity is a relevant factor when deciding treatment options.) Perhaps OP was refering to the fact that the decendets of slaves in America are MUCH less healthy than the rest of the population.[1] [1] http://archive.independentmail.com/features/columnists/what-specific-health-concerns-exist-for-african-americans-ep-411884270-348754091.html http://archive.independentmail.com/features/columnists/what-...
timthelion 9y ago
I honestly don't know how mixed ancestry and the difficulty of producing actuary tables actually affects whether a system can function. Statistically, over a population of that size, it is a wash and the worse that can happen, is that there would be a procentual change in the overall cost. Furthermore, the French have had a mixed populace for many decades [1] and their system still works (though it is different than that of the Czech Republic and Germany). The Czech Republic places 33rd by life expectancy, behind the US by just half a year [2], so if the health care in Czechia is on the level of a 3rd world country than so is the US'. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_France#Before_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_France#Before_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expe...