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Of course not, but there isn't another option for Uber. Second place isn't good enough, not with their burn rate. You need Ghengis Khan if you want to slaught

Of course not, but there isn't another option for Uber. Second place isn't good enough, not with their burn rate. You need Ghengis Khan if you want to slaughter and conquer.

bluebombed 9y ago
Making decisions at the cost of their employees' well-being didn't keep them in first place. Having a toxic work environment for women didn't put them in first place.
- thanksgiving 9y ago
  > Having a toxic work environment for women didn't put them in first place. No, but that's not the point. How quickly we forget that we don't need dude bros to create a hostile environment for women. That GitHub situation was created by a woman, one who wasn't even an employee. We really don't give women enough credit. Toxic work environment is everywhere. Remember the spreadsheet that Googlers started to compare salaries? I'd argue the Apple-Google-X pact to not poach one another is worse than anything Travis could imagine. If there was crass behavior at Uber, I'm inclined to be more lenient because I think it is at a more primitive level than a well thought out plan to increase shareholder value by illegal collaboration to push down worker cost. If these people who criticize Uber really care about their employees, they will start publishing all details about how much salary and benefits and whatever money each employee makes. Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words.
anigbrowl 9y ago
It's this slaughter and conquer mentality that has caused them so many problems. I mean Lyft's main selling point to consumers has been 'Uber without all the attitude.' If Uber had been a little more customer-focused and emollient a few years back, they'd have held onto a much larger slice of the ride-sharing market. Look at Google; they're firmly business-minded and have often butted heads with regulators and so forth, but most people like google, not least because of that 'don't be evil' branding and and their habit of giving people Nice Things.
- kamaal 9y ago
  You make it sound like its an option. Its not. If your margins are razor thin. You have to be ruthless. That permeates to your culture. Do you things are any better at Amazon, Foxconn or other warehouse places?
  - BoiledCabbage 9y ago
    > If your margins are razor thin. You have to be ruthless. That has nothing to do with sexual harassment. And to imply that the two must be linked is false.
    - kamaal 9y ago
      Neither did I mention that. Why did you associate those two things? Does 'highly demanding environment' == 'Harassment' to you? If yes then you have far bigger problems. Any demanding mission ever might be out of reach to you per your value system. Work conditions, overall demands of productivity et al will be brutal. And that ultimately gets to cause all sorts of other problems. People who just can't catch up with all the rush ultimately feel discriminated.
      - sethrin 9y ago
        > People who just can't catch up with all the rush ultimately feel discriminated. Non sequitur. You're also generally espousing some pretty reprehensible ideas. We as a society do not take the view that business success overrides all soft concerns, especially with regard to their employees. If ruthlessness and discrimination is the grist that your mill requires, find another mill. Also please avoid working in management.
        kamaal 9y ago
        >>We as a society do not take the view that business success overrides all soft concerns, especially with regard to their employees. This is obviously wrong. Have you ever bought a iPhone? Or any other Apple product. Have you ever ordered anything from Amazon. How do you think Walmarts and Targets of the world can sell you things for so cheap? Behind all this there is some guy being sent through some real hard ships. As a consumer you have already made that choice.

Of course not, but there isn't another option for Uber. Second place isn't good enough, not with their burn rate. You need Ghengis Khan if you want to slaughter and conquer.

bluebombed 9y ago

Making decisions at the cost of their employees' well-being didn't keep them in first place. Having a toxic work environment for women didn't put them in first place.

thanksgiving 9y ago
> Having a toxic work environment for women didn't put them in first place. No, but that's not the point. How quickly we forget that we don't need dude bros to create a hostile environment for women. That GitHub situation was created by a woman, one who wasn't even an employee. We really don't give women enough credit. Toxic work environment is everywhere. Remember the spreadsheet that Googlers started to compare salaries? I'd argue the Apple-Google-X pact to not poach one another is worse than anything Travis could imagine. If there was crass behavior at Uber, I'm inclined to be more lenient because I think it is at a more primitive level than a well thought out plan to increase shareholder value by illegal collaboration to push down worker cost. If these people who criticize Uber really care about their employees, they will start publishing all details about how much salary and benefits and whatever money each employee makes. Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words.

anigbrowl 9y ago

It's this slaughter and conquer mentality that has caused them so many problems. I mean Lyft's main selling point to consumers has been 'Uber without all the attitude.' If Uber had been a little more customer-focused and emollient a few years back, they'd have held onto a much larger slice of the ride-sharing market. Look at Google; they're firmly business-minded and have often butted heads with regulators and so forth, but most people like google, not least because of that 'don't be evil' branding and and their habit of giving people Nice Things.

kamaal 9y ago
You make it sound like its an option. Its not. If your margins are razor thin. You have to be ruthless. That permeates to your culture. Do you things are any better at Amazon, Foxconn or other warehouse places?
- BoiledCabbage 9y ago
  > If your margins are razor thin. You have to be ruthless. That has nothing to do with sexual harassment. And to imply that the two must be linked is false.
  - kamaal 9y ago
    Neither did I mention that. Why did you associate those two things? Does 'highly demanding environment' == 'Harassment' to you? If yes then you have far bigger problems. Any demanding mission ever might be out of reach to you per your value system. Work conditions, overall demands of productivity et al will be brutal. And that ultimately gets to cause all sorts of other problems. People who just can't catch up with all the rush ultimately feel discriminated.
    - sethrin 9y ago
      > People who just can't catch up with all the rush ultimately feel discriminated. Non sequitur. You're also generally espousing some pretty reprehensible ideas. We as a society do not take the view that business success overrides all soft concerns, especially with regard to their employees. If ruthlessness and discrimination is the grist that your mill requires, find another mill. Also please avoid working in management.
      - kamaal 9y ago
        >>We as a society do not take the view that business success overrides all soft concerns, especially with regard to their employees. This is obviously wrong. Have you ever bought a iPhone? Or any other Apple product. Have you ever ordered anything from Amazon. How do you think Walmarts and Targets of the world can sell you things for so cheap? Behind all this there is some guy being sent through some real hard ships. As a consumer you have already made that choice.