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I agree-ish. A good solution needs to happen. I've been happy with Hired from both sides. Recruiters are getting vile. Recently one contacted a friend and told

I agree-ish. A good solution needs to happen. I've been happy with Hired from both sides. Recruiters are getting vile. Recently one contacted a friend and told my buddy that I had referred him. My buddy hit me up after the call mad that I'd told a recruiter he was looking. I'd never met the recruiter but he'd added me on LI at some point in the past.

galfarragem 9y ago
It annoys me when IT folks despise recruiters and refuse to acknowledge how lucky they are for being stalked by recruiters. Non-stem folks would easily exchange places with you. Be thankful that jobs search for you and not the opposite.
- icebraining 9y ago
  You're just refusing to acknowledge how lucky you are for having the energy to get annoyed at such trivialities.
  - galfarragem 9y ago
    I wouldn't call triviality when I see smart friends begging a job for months just because they made a bad decision somewhere in their past. Maybe it's just me.
    - icebraining 9y ago
      Whether someone gets annoyed at recruiters or not has precisely zero to do with whether your friends get jobs.
- thephyber 9y ago
  I don't know if it's that simple. Should we be thankful that there are lots of realtors? We should be thankful there is enough real estate and the price is accessible (at least for some of us). Realtors are a means to an end, not an end in themselves. I liken it to web ads. The worst web ads will attempt drive-by downloads or are simply obnoxious -- loud, obtrusive, clickjacking, forced-redirects, autoplayed video on pay-per-bandwidth connections, ill-designed for different form-factors, badly layered under/over content. Then again, some ads are perfectly tailored, unobtrusive, small, and fast. Most people generally don't complain about the latter. They don't install AdBlockers to avoid the latter. But the latter are collateral damage of people avoiding the former. > how lucky they are for being stalked by recruiters This is not costless. I stopped answering my phone because it was causing context switches while at work and affecting my productivity. Eventually I figured out that I needed to unsubscribe from recruiter lists (some of which were probably email-confirmation spam traps) and to completely obfuscate my job search profiles while I was not searching.
- RandomTree31415 9y ago
  It annoys me when women despise catcalling men and refuse to acknowledge how lucky they are for being stalked by men. How does your opinion differ from the statement above?
  - pm90 9y ago
    Because they are not the same, not even close. Recruiters are pursuing professionals for their skills, while stalkers are pursuing their targets for... more nefarious reasons. Strawman alert.
    - RandomTree31415 9y ago
      How is recruiters persuing professionals for their skills different from stalkers persuing their targets for their looks? But let's ignore the analogy for a moment. If someone is annoyed by something, it is not less genuine because others would not be annoyed by it.
      - dragonwriter 9y ago
        > How is recruiters persuing professionals for their skills different from stalkers persuing their targets for their looks? The former (speaking of recruiters targeting modern technology professionals; 19th century naval recruiters are a different story) has less of a history of escalating to physical violence and forced taking of what is desired by the pursuer, a context difference which results in a significant difference in the level of reasonably perceived threat to autonomy and physical safety involved.
    - user5994461 9y ago
      They get 30% of your first year salary as a commission. They are just looking to profit from your body.
      - pm90 9y ago
        So is every company who ever employed me, who MUST make a lot more money from the labors of my body than they pay me to remain profitable. What's your point?
- reitanqild 9y ago
  It annoys me when IT folks despise recruiters and refuse to acknowledge how lucky they are for being stalked by recruiters. It was kind of flattering until I realized most of them never works for me. They'll call, ask a lot, ask me to submit a cv although my updated profile is already on LinkedIn. They'll ask about salary expectations and then I won't hear from them again. (BTW: Yes, I walk from one nice job to the next, can't complain. But I've found that for me talking to recruiters is pointless most of the times. FTR: I got my current job through a recruiter, first time in ten years I actually got a job through a recruiter.)
  - donovanm 9y ago
    Yeah I'm not sure it's that much of a blessing either. Lots are interested in talking to me, but most of the jobs are a bad fit and it's fairly time/energy consuming to figure out which recruiters have positions that are a good fit.
- odammit 9y ago
  It's easy to get annoyed by them when they are to the point they'll make up knowing someone to try to get an "in". They also don't do any curation. The majority that most engineers deal with are cold calling hoping that the buzzword soup overlaps enough. Glorified telemarketers.

galfarragem 9y ago

It annoys me when IT folks despise recruiters and refuse to acknowledge how lucky they are for being stalked by recruiters. Non-stem folks would easily exchange places with you. Be thankful that jobs search for you and not the opposite.

icebraining 9y ago
You're just refusing to acknowledge how lucky you are for having the energy to get annoyed at such trivialities.
- galfarragem 9y ago
  I wouldn't call triviality when I see smart friends begging a job for months just because they made a bad decision somewhere in their past. Maybe it's just me.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    Whether someone gets annoyed at recruiters or not has precisely zero to do with whether your friends get jobs.
thephyber 9y ago
I don't know if it's that simple. Should we be thankful that there are lots of realtors? We should be thankful there is enough real estate and the price is accessible (at least for some of us). Realtors are a means to an end, not an end in themselves. I liken it to web ads. The worst web ads will attempt drive-by downloads or are simply obnoxious -- loud, obtrusive, clickjacking, forced-redirects, autoplayed video on pay-per-bandwidth connections, ill-designed for different form-factors, badly layered under/over content. Then again, some ads are perfectly tailored, unobtrusive, small, and fast. Most people generally don't complain about the latter. They don't install AdBlockers to avoid the latter. But the latter are collateral damage of people avoiding the former. > how lucky they are for being stalked by recruiters This is not costless. I stopped answering my phone because it was causing context switches while at work and affecting my productivity. Eventually I figured out that I needed to unsubscribe from recruiter lists (some of which were probably email-confirmation spam traps) and to completely obfuscate my job search profiles while I was not searching.
RandomTree31415 9y ago
It annoys me when women despise catcalling men and refuse to acknowledge how lucky they are for being stalked by men. How does your opinion differ from the statement above?
- pm90 9y ago
  Because they are not the same, not even close. Recruiters are pursuing professionals for their skills, while stalkers are pursuing their targets for... more nefarious reasons. Strawman alert.
  - RandomTree31415 9y ago
    How is recruiters persuing professionals for their skills different from stalkers persuing their targets for their looks? But let's ignore the analogy for a moment. If someone is annoyed by something, it is not less genuine because others would not be annoyed by it.
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      > How is recruiters persuing professionals for their skills different from stalkers persuing their targets for their looks? The former (speaking of recruiters targeting modern technology professionals; 19th century naval recruiters are a different story) has less of a history of escalating to physical violence and forced taking of what is desired by the pursuer, a context difference which results in a significant difference in the level of reasonably perceived threat to autonomy and physical safety involved.
  - user5994461 9y ago
    They get 30% of your first year salary as a commission. They are just looking to profit from your body.
    - pm90 9y ago
      So is every company who ever employed me, who MUST make a lot more money from the labors of my body than they pay me to remain profitable. What's your point?
reitanqild 9y ago
It annoys me when IT folks despise recruiters and refuse to acknowledge how lucky they are for being stalked by recruiters. It was kind of flattering until I realized most of them never works for me. They'll call, ask a lot, ask me to submit a cv although my updated profile is already on LinkedIn. They'll ask about salary expectations and then I won't hear from them again. (BTW: Yes, I walk from one nice job to the next, can't complain. But I've found that for me talking to recruiters is pointless most of the times. FTR: I got my current job through a recruiter, first time in ten years I actually got a job through a recruiter.)
- donovanm 9y ago
  Yeah I'm not sure it's that much of a blessing either. Lots are interested in talking to me, but most of the jobs are a bad fit and it's fairly time/energy consuming to figure out which recruiters have positions that are a good fit.
odammit 9y ago
It's easy to get annoyed by them when they are to the point they'll make up knowing someone to try to get an "in". They also don't do any curation. The majority that most engineers deal with are cold calling hoping that the buzzword soup overlaps enough. Glorified telemarketers.