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This sounds amazing. I honestly think recruiters can be entirely replaced by a decent A.I. and good scheduling software. And we would all be better off.

ep103 9y ago
Sure, but I don't want that AI to be the same one that has access to all my emails, tracks me across the internet, and knows my google searches.
- euyyn 9y ago
  Wouldn't knowing about you help the results be better suited to you? Disclaimer: I have no idea how Google Jobs Search is implemented.
  - VLM 9y ago
    The assumption is I google search the things I know and enjoy, which is actually pretty accurate for time-at-home bored-surfing. One problem is I also spend a huge amount of time googling stuff I'm completely uninterested in and hate doing. What wires do you jumper again to test a mid 00s whirlpool freezer icemaker to verify its motor works, again? Once its fixed I never want to see that again, certainly don't want to work as an appliance repairman. Possibly there is an algorithm to analyze behavior. Oh he's searching for freebsd something or other maybe he'd like a sysadmin job. Oh look he's hate-searching for icemaker repair again, better not suggest appliance repair jobs.
    - pthrowaway 9y ago
      If your horror scenario proves true then we'd all end up getting adverts for jobs in porn.
  - ep103 9y ago
    How different would your private life be, if you thought there was a chance it could affect your future job prospects? If everything in my personal life were known over the last 20 years, I'd probably be unemployable. Let's just start with politics. I was an activist in my early 20s. When I was young, I had some pretty radical ideas. Google knows that, there's plenty in my gmail about it. Should that really be used to inform my current job prospects, 20 years later? Google knows every time I've taken a sick day and lied about it (I carry my android phone, and use google maps). Etc.
    - euyyn 9y ago
      > I'd probably be unemployable There's no reason for any of your information to be shared with the prospective employers here, no? The flow of information here is from the employers, via Google, to you, not the other way around. Your information, plus what you type, would just filter that info down to what you actually care about.
throwasehasdwi 9y ago
Uh no, Google is an advertising company. You know the terrible full page creepy ads taking over mobile that make the internet almost unusable and you can't block? Google is responsible for that. With Google Jobs you're the product to be sold. Only this time it's not annoying ad's, they're offering your employment for sale, your life.
- halflings 9y ago
  Google is doing all the opposite: punishing all websites using pop-up or full-page ads in search results. https://www.theverge.com/2016/8/23/12610890/google-search-punish-pop-ups-interstitial-ads https://www.theverge.com/2016/8/23/12610890/google-search-pu...
  - throwasehasdwi 9y ago
    They're directly the reason that Chrome Mobile doesn't support extensions, the reason you have to put up with these ads. Oh and a few years ago they banned ad blockers from the app store https://adblockplus.org/blog/adblock-plus-for-android-removed-from-google-play-store https://adblockplus.org/blog/adblock-plus-for-android-remove... So every time you see a shitty horrible ad on mobile, the reason you have to watch it is 100% Google.
    - kileywm 9y ago
      Extensions/add-ons were the #1 reason I switched from Chrome to Firefox on my mobile device. It supports uBlock Origin & others. It's worth a try if you haven't done so lately.
      - LiquidFlux 9y ago
        Chrome still supports uBlock Origin, the Chrome Store doesn't.
        icebraining 9y ago
odammit 9y ago
I agree-ish. A good solution needs to happen. I've been happy with Hired from both sides. Recruiters are getting vile. Recently one contacted a friend and told my buddy that I had referred him. My buddy hit me up after the call mad that I'd told a recruiter he was looking. I'd never met the recruiter but he'd added me on LI at some point in the past.
- galfarragem 9y ago
  It annoys me when IT folks despise recruiters and refuse to acknowledge how lucky they are for being stalked by recruiters. Non-stem folks would easily exchange places with you. Be thankful that jobs search for you and not the opposite.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    You're just refusing to acknowledge how lucky you are for having the energy to get annoyed at such trivialities.
    - galfarragem 9y ago
      I wouldn't call triviality when I see smart friends begging a job for months just because they made a bad decision somewhere in their past. Maybe it's just me.
      - icebraining 9y ago
        Whether someone gets annoyed at recruiters or not has precisely zero to do with whether your friends get jobs.
  - thephyber 9y ago
    I don't know if it's that simple. Should we be thankful that there are lots of realtors? We should be thankful there is enough real estate and the price is accessible (at least for some of us). Realtors are a means to an end, not an end in themselves. I liken it to web ads. The worst web ads will attempt drive-by downloads or are simply obnoxious -- loud, obtrusive, clickjacking, forced-redirects, autoplayed video on pay-per-bandwidth connections, ill-designed for different form-factors, badly layered under/over content. Then again, some ads are perfectly tailored, unobtrusive, small, and fast. Most people generally don't complain about the latter. They don't install AdBlockers to avoid the latter. But the latter are collateral damage of people avoiding the former. > how lucky they are for being stalked by recruiters This is not costless. I stopped answering my phone because it was causing context switches while at work and affecting my productivity. Eventually I figured out that I needed to unsubscribe from recruiter lists (some of which were probably email-confirmation spam traps) and to completely obfuscate my job search profiles while I was not searching.
clairity 9y ago
good, i'm working on that. =) but to be honest, AI isn't really that useful in this space yet. regardless of that, i share the same privacy concerns others have about google, so don't see this as a particularly enticing announcement.
Florin_Andrei 9y ago
> I honestly think recruiters can be entirely replaced by a decent A.I. and good scheduling software. And we would all be better off. Fun game: find all jobs that could replace "recruiters" in the paragraph quoted above.
jnordwick 9y ago
Noooo!! Recruiters are so useful. They do a lot of leg work for you. They have access to many openings that aren't public. They can provide introductions to people you've always wanted to speak to. And they can convince good companies to create an opening for you if you would fit really well with the company. I get to send my resume to a few recruiters and they call me with all the openings that fit my skill set and i would be interested in. They make looking for a new position so much easier. Often they work in teams so you get multiple people doing this for you at the same time. Plus you build a relationship with them, their team, and the company so you with them better next time too. They are invaluable. I do have to say though that there is enormous variability in their skill. The secret is to only work with a few that have access to different contacts and that you trust. Don't spray your resume out there to bad recruiting companies. I have noticed a difference between industries though. In my main industry (finance and financial technology) recruiters tend to be very knowledgeable and work very diligently to give you leads that fit your skills and priorities. I've noticed that in other industries like web or internet start up they can be atrocious. I get all sorts of random crap from them so you probably need to be extra careful in certain industries. But i would never give up my recruiters. They take a lot of pain out of me trying to find a new position. I have a lot of love for my recruiters. I wouldn't have nearly the career i do now without them.
- aphextron 9y ago
  You''re describing good recruiters, which are rare and far between. The majority is spam unfortunately. The problem I think is the incentive structure. When you see human beings as nothing more than a commission, the tactics get cutthroat.
  - jnordwick 9y ago
    I deal with more good recruiters than bad recruiters. I'm picky and the industry might make a big difference. I also spend the time to really talk to the recruiter the first couple times so he knows a lot about me and what I'm looking for. And i don't feel he would work out for me, i don't work with him. I takes communication and i think part of the problem is on the job seekers side. Too many are uncommunicative.
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gehwartzen 9y ago
Of course they can be. All they do is filter applicants by the criteria given to them by the actual company doing the hiring. Personally I wish we could go back to companies/managers/HR doing the actual applicant filtering.
tanilama 9y ago
If though AI, then 99% of the resumes without enough academic/industrial experience on paper will be killed from even getting an interview :) Algorithms aren't person though, and they are ruthless.

ep103 9y ago

Sure, but I don't want that AI to be the same one that has access to all my emails, tracks me across the internet, and knows my google searches.

euyyn 9y ago
Wouldn't knowing about you help the results be better suited to you? Disclaimer: I have no idea how Google Jobs Search is implemented.
- VLM 9y ago
  The assumption is I google search the things I know and enjoy, which is actually pretty accurate for time-at-home bored-surfing. One problem is I also spend a huge amount of time googling stuff I'm completely uninterested in and hate doing. What wires do you jumper again to test a mid 00s whirlpool freezer icemaker to verify its motor works, again? Once its fixed I never want to see that again, certainly don't want to work as an appliance repairman. Possibly there is an algorithm to analyze behavior. Oh he's searching for freebsd something or other maybe he'd like a sysadmin job. Oh look he's hate-searching for icemaker repair again, better not suggest appliance repair jobs.
  - pthrowaway 9y ago
    If your horror scenario proves true then we'd all end up getting adverts for jobs in porn.
- ep103 9y ago
  How different would your private life be, if you thought there was a chance it could affect your future job prospects? If everything in my personal life were known over the last 20 years, I'd probably be unemployable. Let's just start with politics. I was an activist in my early 20s. When I was young, I had some pretty radical ideas. Google knows that, there's plenty in my gmail about it. Should that really be used to inform my current job prospects, 20 years later? Google knows every time I've taken a sick day and lied about it (I carry my android phone, and use google maps). Etc.
  - euyyn 9y ago
    > I'd probably be unemployable There's no reason for any of your information to be shared with the prospective employers here, no? The flow of information here is from the employers, via Google, to you, not the other way around. Your information, plus what you type, would just filter that info down to what you actually care about.

throwasehasdwi 9y ago

Uh no, Google is an advertising company. You know the terrible full page creepy ads taking over mobile that make the internet almost unusable and you can't block? Google is responsible for that. With Google Jobs you're the product to be sold. Only this time it's not annoying ad's, they're offering your employment for sale, your life.

halflings 9y ago
Google is doing all the opposite: punishing all websites using pop-up or full-page ads in search results. https://www.theverge.com/2016/8/23/12610890/google-search-punish-pop-ups-interstitial-ads https://www.theverge.com/2016/8/23/12610890/google-search-pu...
- throwasehasdwi 9y ago
  They're directly the reason that Chrome Mobile doesn't support extensions, the reason you have to put up with these ads. Oh and a few years ago they banned ad blockers from the app store https://adblockplus.org/blog/adblock-plus-for-android-removed-from-google-play-store https://adblockplus.org/blog/adblock-plus-for-android-remove... So every time you see a shitty horrible ad on mobile, the reason you have to watch it is 100% Google.
  - kileywm 9y ago
    Extensions/add-ons were the #1 reason I switched from Chrome to Firefox on my mobile device. It supports uBlock Origin & others. It's worth a try if you haven't done so lately.
    - LiquidFlux 9y ago
      Chrome still supports uBlock Origin, the Chrome Store doesn't.
      - icebraining 9y ago

odammit 9y ago

I agree-ish. A good solution needs to happen. I've been happy with Hired from both sides. Recruiters are getting vile. Recently one contacted a friend and told my buddy that I had referred him. My buddy hit me up after the call mad that I'd told a recruiter he was looking. I'd never met the recruiter but he'd added me on LI at some point in the past.

galfarragem 9y ago
It annoys me when IT folks despise recruiters and refuse to acknowledge how lucky they are for being stalked by recruiters. Non-stem folks would easily exchange places with you. Be thankful that jobs search for you and not the opposite.
- icebraining 9y ago
  You're just refusing to acknowledge how lucky you are for having the energy to get annoyed at such trivialities.
  - galfarragem 9y ago
    I wouldn't call triviality when I see smart friends begging a job for months just because they made a bad decision somewhere in their past. Maybe it's just me.
    - icebraining 9y ago
      Whether someone gets annoyed at recruiters or not has precisely zero to do with whether your friends get jobs.
- thephyber 9y ago
  I don't know if it's that simple. Should we be thankful that there are lots of realtors? We should be thankful there is enough real estate and the price is accessible (at least for some of us). Realtors are a means to an end, not an end in themselves. I liken it to web ads. The worst web ads will attempt drive-by downloads or are simply obnoxious -- loud, obtrusive, clickjacking, forced-redirects, autoplayed video on pay-per-bandwidth connections, ill-designed for different form-factors, badly layered under/over content. Then again, some ads are perfectly tailored, unobtrusive, small, and fast. Most people generally don't complain about the latter. They don't install AdBlockers to avoid the latter. But the latter are collateral damage of people avoiding the former. > how lucky they are for being stalked by recruiters This is not costless. I stopped answering my phone because it was causing context switches while at work and affecting my productivity. Eventually I figured out that I needed to unsubscribe from recruiter lists (some of which were probably email-confirmation spam traps) and to completely obfuscate my job search profiles while I was not searching.

clairity 9y ago

good, i'm working on that. =) but to be honest, AI isn't really that useful in this space yet. regardless of that, i share the same privacy concerns others have about google, so don't see this as a particularly enticing announcement.

Florin_Andrei 9y ago

> I honestly think recruiters can be entirely replaced by a decent A.I. and good scheduling software. And we would all be better off. Fun game: find all jobs that could replace "recruiters" in the paragraph quoted above.

jnordwick 9y ago

Noooo!! Recruiters are so useful. They do a lot of leg work for you. They have access to many openings that aren't public. They can provide introductions to people you've always wanted to speak to. And they can convince good companies to create an opening for you if you would fit really well with the company. I get to send my resume to a few recruiters and they call me with all the openings that fit my skill set and i would be interested in. They make looking for a new position so much easier. Often they work in teams so you get multiple people doing this for you at the same time. Plus you build a relationship with them, their team, and the company so you with them better next time too. They are invaluable. I do have to say though that there is enormous variability in their skill. The secret is to only work with a few that have access to different contacts and that you trust. Don't spray your resume out there to bad recruiting companies. I have noticed a difference between industries though. In my main industry (finance and financial technology) recruiters tend to be very knowledgeable and work very diligently to give you leads that fit your skills and priorities. I've noticed that in other industries like web or internet start up they can be atrocious. I get all sorts of random crap from them so you probably need to be extra careful in certain industries. But i would never give up my recruiters. They take a lot of pain out of me trying to find a new position. I have a lot of love for my recruiters. I wouldn't have nearly the career i do now without them.

aphextron 9y ago
You''re describing good recruiters, which are rare and far between. The majority is spam unfortunately. The problem I think is the incentive structure. When you see human beings as nothing more than a commission, the tactics get cutthroat.
- jnordwick 9y ago
  I deal with more good recruiters than bad recruiters. I'm picky and the industry might make a big difference. I also spend the time to really talk to the recruiter the first couple times so he knows a lot about me and what I'm looking for. And i don't feel he would work out for me, i don't work with him. I takes communication and i think part of the problem is on the job seekers side. Too many are uncommunicative.

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gehwartzen 9y ago

Of course they can be. All they do is filter applicants by the criteria given to them by the actual company doing the hiring. Personally I wish we could go back to companies/managers/HR doing the actual applicant filtering.

tanilama 9y ago

If though AI, then 99% of the resumes without enough academic/industrial experience on paper will be killed from even getting an interview :) Algorithms aren't person though, and they are ruthless.