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Firstly, isn't labeling this epoch "Anthropocene" somewhat premature and mostly political in nature? According to data surrounding the channeled scablands[0] i
by cubano 9y ago
Firstly, isn't labeling this epoch "Anthropocene" somewhat premature and mostly political in nature?
According to data surrounding the channeled scablands[0] in Washington state, the earth has been through at least 19 severe cooling periods in the past 2 million years, the approximate time homo sapian and our very close evolutionary ancestors have survived and, in our case at least, thrived beyond all possible expectation.
All this with mostly just the barest bits of technology...fire, sharpened flints etc etc. These cooling events have been massive in scope; Manhattan Island was under 2 miles of ice and glaciers came all the way down to north Georgia.
In other words, we are really good at dealing with a changing environment no matter what the cause could be.
As I read the article, this "philosopher prophet" seems to be nothing of the kind, unless you consider a religious-type zeal for a silly and pretentious prediction of the total destruction of the earth's ecosystem some sort of deep insight.
That's utterly preposterous. Ice core samples[1] of greenhouse gases (you know, actual data points not so-far-very-inaccurate computer models) show we seem to be right on cycle basically and show little scientific basis for the hysterics that this man is being genuflected for in the article.
Of course we should all be concerned about keeping a cleaner environment...who the fuck is for dirty water and air?
Others say the blame for the despoliation of the Earth
should be laid at the feet not of humanity in general, but
of (predominantly white, western and male) capitalism.
Oh now we are getting at the meat of things. Sure of course blame "white men" for all the worlds ills. Predictable...and for the record I am not a "white" male.
Aren't these the same "white men" who basically gave us the industrial revolution, anti-biotics and vaccines that have saved 100's of millions, and a global economy tied to the WWW that is lifting 100's of thousands out of poverty daily?
More to the point...would this be the same capitalism that is responsible in the US for an over 12% reduction in CO2 over the past 10 years?[2]
Yes I know..all this just becomes political in nature and I certainly am not going to change any minds here or anywhere, really. I just can't for the life of my understand why so many people feel the need to underestimate humanity's abilities to fix and deal with pretty much anything the environment throws at us.
Besides a huge meteor impact of course.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channeled_Scablands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channeled_Scablands
[1] http://cdiac.ornl.gov/images/air_bubbles_historical.jpg http://cdiac.ornl.gov/images/air_bubbles_historical.jpg
[2] https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms8714#results https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms8714#results
- simonh 9y agoWell it seems obvious it's Capitalism's fault, because when you look at the environmental record of the major non-capitalist states such as the USSR and Communist China, you see that... er... um... never mind.
- bjl 9y agoExcept that both the USSR and China are capitalist in the Marxist sense.
- simonh 9y agoA fair point, but they were also the two biggest, most concerted efforts to have an industrial civilisation while not being capitalist. They also heavily marketed themselves as being anti-capitalist. Their utter and abject, miserably destructive failure to do so don't endear me overly much to the 'capitalism is the root of all evil' position. After all it is also Capitalism that is giving us the tools to fight global warming and pollution - solar and battery technology, wind, tidal, hydroelectricity, biodegradable plastics, highly efficient self-driving electric vehicles - getting rid of Capitalism isn't going to make all our problems go away with it. Capitalism is at it's core about individual ownership, freedom and responsibility. These are not bad things.
- VLM 9y agoYou've synthesized the two cultures but a "large chunk" of humanity has not. The guy in the story is definitely deep in the "humanities" culture. Its unscientific in the cultural sense, because he's on team "humanities" not "science" such that its hard for people in team "science" to understand him. There's a classic Chomsky linguistics example of a cool valid line of English that no matter how cool it looks is none the less complete nonsense. Thats what you're up against arguing with the Humanities tribe "Your argument makes no scientific or logical sense" "Who cares its beautiful and inspirational and I'm not on tribe Science so it doesn't matter" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Cultures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Cultures Unfortunately as the two cultures become more mutually incomprehensible, cultural "islands" are polarizing such that large cultural groups literally cannot talk to each other anymore. Its interesting watching the two cultures as they exceed escape velocity from each other. We have science and economics unconcerned with the morals, ethics and humanities of what they do, with team humanity running our propaganda institutions (education, media) totally unconcerned with their ideas accelerating separation from our increasingly scientific real world.