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Dunno, I used to ride the bycicle to the school in the city which is 25km away from where I lived. So 50km (31 miles) a day at least. In the village where I gre

by wila 9y ago

Dunno, I used to ride the bycicle to the school in the city which is 25km away from where I lived. So 50km (31 miles) a day at least. In the village where I grew up that was pretty common.

dtech 9y ago
In my experience, every school kid who lived ~10km or more away bought a moped (scooter) the instant they turned 16, when they were allowed to drive one.
- mercer 9y ago
  Interesting. In my experience this wasn't common, but I was part of geekier VWO. Scooters were slightly more common at HAVO and very popular with VMBO. And while there might be a connection with education level, scooters were also stereotypically owned by Turkish/Moroccan kids. I always felt a bit sad that it wasn't more normal for 'my crowd' to have scooters. I would've loved a scooter.
- wila 9y ago
  Some bought mopeds/scooters, most did not. There was a couple of teenagers living another 5km further away and still riding a bycicle. Now when those turned 18.. that's a different story, it did not take them very long before the driver license was there. When I look at my nieces/nephews now, then it is mostly still the same story. Except that indeed the number of mopeds is higher, but still under 50%.
- mcv 9y ago
  I didn't. And I know many who don't. Though it's true that many do. Still, there's a couple of years of school before they turn 16.
eugeniub 9y ago
The difference then is probably widespread access to cars. With suburbs being so spread out, most people would rather drive rather than bike more than 5 miles per trip, despite the big environmental and personal health consequences.
- internetionals 9y ago
  Not necessarily. Lots of people have a car and live more than 5 kilometers from the city center or their work. But a decent amount of people take their bikes when it is under 15 kilometers. Grocery shopping is often less than 5 kilometers, but me and my neighbours often use the car for that (eventhough often it could be done by bike). I think the biggest reason is purely cultural. It is normal (almost expected) that kids and teenagers go to school, sport and clubs by bike. You grow up riding a bike and it is your first real "liberation" from depending on your parents for everything. It kinda represents freedom to go where you want to go before coming of age and being allowed to drive a car. (The minimum age to get your driving license used to be 18, though recently you can get a "starters license" at 17 as long as you drive under adult supervision). And later on you realise that often taking the car, whilst great, isn't that more practical (and certainly not as economical) as taking the bike now and again.
- wila 9y ago
  I think the main difference is due to a number of reasons, an important one of them being cultural. Every kid can ride a bicycle and has a bicycle. Another reason is our infrastructure, it is pretty safe with all those bicycle lanes, so parents do not worry too much. Also if you live in the city then for shorter distances (under ~3km) it is just the fastest way to get anywhere and no parking problems. Add things like that the Netherlands does not have a hot and moist climate, so normally not sweaty. Pretty low crime rates especially in regards to violence. Car drivers being used to have lots of bicycles around. There's just a lot of factors down here that make riding a bicycle more attractive as in most other countries that I have seen.

by wila 9y ago

Dunno, I used to ride the bycicle to the school in the city which is 25km away from where I lived. So 50km (31 miles) a day at least. In the village where I grew up that was pretty common.

dtech 9y ago

In my experience, every school kid who lived ~10km or more away bought a moped (scooter) the instant they turned 16, when they were allowed to drive one.

mercer 9y ago
Interesting. In my experience this wasn't common, but I was part of geekier VWO. Scooters were slightly more common at HAVO and very popular with VMBO. And while there might be a connection with education level, scooters were also stereotypically owned by Turkish/Moroccan kids. I always felt a bit sad that it wasn't more normal for 'my crowd' to have scooters. I would've loved a scooter.
wila 9y ago
Some bought mopeds/scooters, most did not. There was a couple of teenagers living another 5km further away and still riding a bycicle. Now when those turned 18.. that's a different story, it did not take them very long before the driver license was there. When I look at my nieces/nephews now, then it is mostly still the same story. Except that indeed the number of mopeds is higher, but still under 50%.
mcv 9y ago
I didn't. And I know many who don't. Though it's true that many do. Still, there's a couple of years of school before they turn 16.

eugeniub 9y ago

The difference then is probably widespread access to cars. With suburbs being so spread out, most people would rather drive rather than bike more than 5 miles per trip, despite the big environmental and personal health consequences.

internetionals 9y ago
Not necessarily. Lots of people have a car and live more than 5 kilometers from the city center or their work. But a decent amount of people take their bikes when it is under 15 kilometers. Grocery shopping is often less than 5 kilometers, but me and my neighbours often use the car for that (eventhough often it could be done by bike). I think the biggest reason is purely cultural. It is normal (almost expected) that kids and teenagers go to school, sport and clubs by bike. You grow up riding a bike and it is your first real "liberation" from depending on your parents for everything. It kinda represents freedom to go where you want to go before coming of age and being allowed to drive a car. (The minimum age to get your driving license used to be 18, though recently you can get a "starters license" at 17 as long as you drive under adult supervision). And later on you realise that often taking the car, whilst great, isn't that more practical (and certainly not as economical) as taking the bike now and again.
wila 9y ago
I think the main difference is due to a number of reasons, an important one of them being cultural. Every kid can ride a bicycle and has a bicycle. Another reason is our infrastructure, it is pretty safe with all those bicycle lanes, so parents do not worry too much. Also if you live in the city then for shorter distances (under ~3km) it is just the fastest way to get anywhere and no parking problems. Add things like that the Netherlands does not have a hot and moist climate, so normally not sweaty. Pretty low crime rates especially in regards to violence. Car drivers being used to have lots of bicycles around. There's just a lot of factors down here that make riding a bicycle more attractive as in most other countries that I have seen.