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Ditto with HEVC and HEIF. With the even higher royalty fees of HEVC and HEIF, availability of alternative royalty free formats backed by Apple's competitors, A

Ditto with HEVC and HEIF. With the even higher royalty fees of HEVC and HEIF, availability of alternative royalty free formats backed by Apple's competitors, Apple will be walling itself off once again.

martinald 9y ago
HEVC is becoming very standard for 4K (and sometimes for non-4K) video. Even torrent sites have loads and loads of H265 content now.
- tracker1 9y ago
  Aside, I really prefer the fallback rendering for hevc in lower bitrate encodes... the "blurry" is way better than avc's "blocky". So even when it's technically less accurate than h.264 in many conditions, it still looks better.
proyb2 9y ago
Webp didn't took off as we would like, I'm still using JPEG, SVG and PNG for all artworks. I believe Microsoft and major graphics editing have plans to support HEIF because their software are running on macOS and iOS. Affinity Photo and Designer surely will. Web browsers might supported HEIF largely because Imgur and other image hosting will benefits from smaller size.
giobox 9y ago
I don't think this comparison makes sense - HEVC and HEIF are both industry standards, and will probably see widespread adoption. HEVC (H.265) is already really taking off, especially now most modern Intel CPUs have hardware support for it. Their main predecessor technologies, JPEG and H.264, weren't 'open' formats either. In the case of HEIF, MacOS/iOS will automatically transcode to JPEG anytime you share a HEIF image - it's solely being used to save storage space on your personal device, so in reality almost no one will even notice the change, save for the upside of having more free disk space. H.265/HEVC is pretty trivial to transcode to H.264 or whatever else you want, but given how wide support is spreading I doubt people will often have to do this. Metal on the other hand is an entirely Apple in-house technology.
threeseed 9y ago
This again. (1) WebM/VP9 is only royalty free because MPEG-LA et al have not asserted any patent claims against it. Given that VP8 was granted a license in the past means that it is almost certain to be infringing. The fact that Google doesn't indemnify their users should tell you something. (2) H.265 is supported by over 100+ more companies than VP9 and is already in shipping hardware from Sony, LG, Samsung, Intel, AMD, ARM, Nvidia etc. It is the standard for TVs and other hardware devices, standard for terrestrial broadcast and will soon be the standard for internet as well.
coldtea 9y ago
Yeah, it's like how we had to stop using GIF and MP3 because of the all the licensing issues. Wait, no...

martinald 9y ago

HEVC is becoming very standard for 4K (and sometimes for non-4K) video. Even torrent sites have loads and loads of H265 content now.

tracker1 9y ago
Aside, I really prefer the fallback rendering for hevc in lower bitrate encodes... the "blurry" is way better than avc's "blocky". So even when it's technically less accurate than h.264 in many conditions, it still looks better.

proyb2 9y ago

Webp didn't took off as we would like, I'm still using JPEG, SVG and PNG for all artworks. I believe Microsoft and major graphics editing have plans to support HEIF because their software are running on macOS and iOS. Affinity Photo and Designer surely will. Web browsers might supported HEIF largely because Imgur and other image hosting will benefits from smaller size.

giobox 9y ago

I don't think this comparison makes sense - HEVC and HEIF are both industry standards, and will probably see widespread adoption. HEVC (H.265) is already really taking off, especially now most modern Intel CPUs have hardware support for it. Their main predecessor technologies, JPEG and H.264, weren't 'open' formats either. In the case of HEIF, MacOS/iOS will automatically transcode to JPEG anytime you share a HEIF image - it's solely being used to save storage space on your personal device, so in reality almost no one will even notice the change, save for the upside of having more free disk space. H.265/HEVC is pretty trivial to transcode to H.264 or whatever else you want, but given how wide support is spreading I doubt people will often have to do this. Metal on the other hand is an entirely Apple in-house technology.

threeseed 9y ago

This again. (1) WebM/VP9 is only royalty free because MPEG-LA et al have not asserted any patent claims against it. Given that VP8 was granted a license in the past means that it is almost certain to be infringing. The fact that Google doesn't indemnify their users should tell you something. (2) H.265 is supported by over 100+ more companies than VP9 and is already in shipping hardware from Sony, LG, Samsung, Intel, AMD, ARM, Nvidia etc. It is the standard for TVs and other hardware devices, standard for terrestrial broadcast and will soon be the standard for internet as well.

coldtea 9y ago

Yeah, it's like how we had to stop using GIF and MP3 because of the all the licensing issues. Wait, no...