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Yes, those TDPs made them dead on arrival for me. I moved to mini-ITX for my main system and won't be going back. There's no room in my case for any watercoolin

Yes, those TDPs made them dead on arrival for me. I moved to mini-ITX for my main system and won't be going back. There's no room in my case for any watercooling hardware. I run a Ryzen 7 1700 which is a 65W TDP 8 core, 16 thread CPU. I was going to hold off for Intel's response, but I knew they wouldn't have anything with 8 cores that was anywhere near 65W TDP. CoffeeLake should offer lower TDPs, but with 6 cores max which seems unappealing compared to 8C. I'm going to revisit Intel after they've had time to prepare a real response to Ryzen in ~2020 or so.

mcraiha 9y ago
You can put watercooling pump and radiator outside of your case.
- loeg 9y ago
  Kind of defeats the point of mini-ITX, though, for some of us.
  - paulmd 9y ago
    There are mITX/mATX cases that are small/portable and very functional for water-cooling as well. I use a Raven RVZ01 (see also FT01 for less aggressive styling) and I have a 120mm AIO in it.
dogma1138 9y ago
I've built multiple mini ITX cases with WC, but in anycase AMD calculates TDP in a very different manner to Intel, they calculate the average sustained power draw over a period of time which includes throttling, Intel calculates it based on the maximum instantaneous power draw possible. Intel has changed the power distribution design, it now has a linear voltage regulator on the CPU, it seems that some of the motherboards have issues with it. The power draw for Bit-Tech pots the 7900X which is a 10c CPU slightly over the 8c 1800x. https://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2017/06/16/intel-core-i9-7900x-and-x299-chipset-revie/7 https://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2017/06/16/intel-core-i9-7... I suggest you read more reviews and actually wait until post-launch updates most of these are still using very early and beta versions of the BIOS.
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nikanj 9y ago
I added an AIO water cooler inside my ITX, something similar to http://www.corsair.com/en-us/hydro-series-h90-140mm-high-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler http://www.corsair.com/en-us/hydro-series-h90-140mm-high-per.... One of the best computer investments I've made, since getting my first SSD. Instead of a loud whine occasionally, I get a steady hum. I have a Silverstone SG13 case, which is about the size of a sneaker box, fit into that one without any issues.
solotronics 9y ago
+1 for Ryzen but if people are having cooling issues they might want to check out underclocking.

mcraiha 9y ago

You can put watercooling pump and radiator outside of your case.

loeg 9y ago
Kind of defeats the point of mini-ITX, though, for some of us.
- paulmd 9y ago
  There are mITX/mATX cases that are small/portable and very functional for water-cooling as well. I use a Raven RVZ01 (see also FT01 for less aggressive styling) and I have a 120mm AIO in it.

dogma1138 9y ago

I've built multiple mini ITX cases with WC, but in anycase AMD calculates TDP in a very different manner to Intel, they calculate the average sustained power draw over a period of time which includes throttling, Intel calculates it based on the maximum instantaneous power draw possible. Intel has changed the power distribution design, it now has a linear voltage regulator on the CPU, it seems that some of the motherboards have issues with it. The power draw for Bit-Tech pots the 7900X which is a 10c CPU slightly over the 8c 1800x. https://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2017/06/16/intel-core-i9-7900x-and-x299-chipset-revie/7 https://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2017/06/16/intel-core-i9-7... I suggest you read more reviews and actually wait until post-launch updates most of these are still using very early and beta versions of the BIOS.

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nikanj 9y ago

I added an AIO water cooler inside my ITX, something similar to http://www.corsair.com/en-us/hydro-series-h90-140mm-high-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler http://www.corsair.com/en-us/hydro-series-h90-140mm-high-per.... One of the best computer investments I've made, since getting my first SSD. Instead of a loud whine occasionally, I get a steady hum. I have a Silverstone SG13 case, which is about the size of a sneaker box, fit into that one without any issues.

solotronics 9y ago

+1 for Ryzen but if people are having cooling issues they might want to check out underclocking.