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Communes, even smaller ones, don't work very well, and don't last.

by skookumchuck 9y ago

d3ad1ysp0rk 9y ago
Do you have any data for this argument?
- skookumchuck 9y ago
  Can't find any long lasting ones. For example, hippie communes were common in the 60's and 70's. They've all vanished. The largest, San Francisco's 1967 "summer of love", only lasted a few months before collapsing. "those who gathered in Haight-Ashbury during 1967 allegedly rejected the conformist and materialist values of modern life; there was an emphasis on sharing and community. The Diggers established a Free Store, and a Free Clinic where medical treatment was provided." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_of_Love https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_of_Love
  - komodo 9y ago
    This is place is most likely an exception to the rule but here is a single counter-example; a long-standing commune near my hometown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Oaks_Community,_Virginia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Oaks_Community,_Virginia
    - skookumchuck 9y ago
      A more interesting article on it: http://www.twinoakscommunity.org/paxus-307/pax-modesty-inefficient?showall=&start=6 http://www.twinoakscommunity.org/paxus-307/pax-modesty-ineff... It's a survivor of "thousands" of communes started in the 60s and 70s, perhaps the only one. Turnover is about 12% a year. Perhaps the secret to their success is the ability to attract a constant stream of replacements, as members who tire of communism leave. Even so, it shows that if you want to live in a communist society, you're free to form one here in America. Me, I'll pass.
  - PeterisP 9y ago
    Israeli kibbutzim is probably the largest example, where you have a set of many communes so you can see what is an accident and how the average behaves; and they were/are long lasting.
    - skookumchuck 9y ago
      They're supported with government money, as they are unable to support themselves. That's not success.
chongli 9y ago
Communes may not work well (they often act somewhat like cults) but unions, credit unions, and cooperatives work pretty well. These are all collective labour societies. They lack the all-encompassing nature of communism which makes them less likely to oppress people into rebellion.

Communes, even smaller ones, don't work very well, and don't last.

d3ad1ysp0rk 9y ago

Do you have any data for this argument?

skookumchuck 9y ago
Can't find any long lasting ones. For example, hippie communes were common in the 60's and 70's. They've all vanished. The largest, San Francisco's 1967 "summer of love", only lasted a few months before collapsing. "those who gathered in Haight-Ashbury during 1967 allegedly rejected the conformist and materialist values of modern life; there was an emphasis on sharing and community. The Diggers established a Free Store, and a Free Clinic where medical treatment was provided." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_of_Love https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_of_Love
- komodo 9y ago
  This is place is most likely an exception to the rule but here is a single counter-example; a long-standing commune near my hometown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Oaks_Community,_Virginia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Oaks_Community,_Virginia
  - skookumchuck 9y ago
    A more interesting article on it: http://www.twinoakscommunity.org/paxus-307/pax-modesty-inefficient?showall=&start=6 http://www.twinoakscommunity.org/paxus-307/pax-modesty-ineff... It's a survivor of "thousands" of communes started in the 60s and 70s, perhaps the only one. Turnover is about 12% a year. Perhaps the secret to their success is the ability to attract a constant stream of replacements, as members who tire of communism leave. Even so, it shows that if you want to live in a communist society, you're free to form one here in America. Me, I'll pass.
- PeterisP 9y ago
  Israeli kibbutzim is probably the largest example, where you have a set of many communes so you can see what is an accident and how the average behaves; and they were/are long lasting.
  - skookumchuck 9y ago
    They're supported with government money, as they are unable to support themselves. That's not success.

chongli 9y ago

Communes may not work well (they often act somewhat like cults) but unions, credit unions, and cooperatives work pretty well. These are all collective labour societies. They lack the all-encompassing nature of communism which makes them less likely to oppress people into rebellion.