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Just like we domesticated cattle, we could do the same with practically all animals. I mean, cows, pigs, chickens (dogs and cats) are the most docile creatures

Just like we domesticated cattle, we could do the same with practically all animals. I mean, cows, pigs, chickens (dogs and cats) are the most docile creatures on earth. How would we enslave, rape, raise, slaughter them if they were angry and combatant and weren't submissive? Breeding does wonders. Check out any wild cattle and you'll see how easily, fearlessly they stomp their predators to death. As for ethical problems, I see no difference between an elephant and a pig. Both are one of the smartest animals on earth. Yet, bacon! :D Given that first world countries enjoy their 99% factory farmed abominations of animal flesh, I'd say ethics was decided as a non-problem by look-the-other-way anthropocentric market agents. edit: checkout Temple Grandin work with cattle. you can have a farm with hundreds of milk cows and have 2 people working on it (part time vet that's making all the cows pregnant and managing their calves, and one full time employee). her methods made industrial milk farms manage themselves. cows practically go to the milking robot alone, never stopping, never panicking. when I saw this being done with my own eyes, no wonder family farms can't compete without huge subsidies.

adamnemecek 9y ago
> Just like we domesticated cattle, we could do the same with practically all animals. It's not worth the effort. > Breeding does wonders This is a platitude. > I see no difference between an elephant and a pig The one that's gray and weighs maybe 15000 lbs is an elephant. A pig, on the other hand is notably smaller, weighting around 200lbs. It's also pink. Hit me up next time you get confused. > Temple Grandin Lol, I'm passingly familiar with her work. After the revolution, she's going to gulags. Idk why you bring her up tho.
- projectorlochsa 9y ago
  > It's not worth the effort. That's for capitalism to decide (and those look-the-other-way market agents). > It's also pink. Hit me up next time you get confused. Difference being ethical one, not physical. Giving same moral consideration (no matter how great or small the consideration is) to elephants and pigs would be ethically consistent, yet it's quite clear that consideration isn't equal, due to some flawed/mutated value system of appeals to tradition, popularity and futility. > Lol, I'm passingly familiar with her work. After the revolution, she's going to gulags. Idk why you bring her up tho. A good example of how breeding docile, non-aggressive creatures can result in some seriously mind-blowing complacent, plant-like behavior (we see it in the human gulags too, though, and it's documented quite thoroughly in the history of USSR, docile humans at its finest form).
  - adamnemecek 9y ago
    Capitalism can't dictate morals. Killing pigs and killing elephants is in a similar category. But it's kind of about context. Kinda like when you get a little less sad when an ISIS fighter dies compared wiyou a kid who dies of cancer. Idk what the temple Grandin thing is about.
    - projectorlochsa 9y ago
      > Capitalism can't dictate morals. I do agree with that. > Killing pigs and killing elephants is in a similar category. But it's kind of about context. Yeah, the context being that elephants are glorified by the press, while reporting on mistreatment of pigs (or any farm practices) in the USA is considered a criminal act. [0] That's the look-the-other-way market agent from up there. The context is also that mentioned mutated set of values. I don't think the comparison is anywhere close to ISIS. > Idk what the temple Grandin thing is about. Well, no one knew you could manage a milk farm with two people, so saying that elephants can't be domesticated is a bit of a stretch. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag
      - adamnemecek 9y ago
        I agree that they are similarly bad and aggag laws are retarded. It's just that one is already an industry while the other one isn't. I'm in favor of closing the current industry but fundamentally I realize that this will be to go to push through.

adamnemecek 9y ago

> Just like we domesticated cattle, we could do the same with practically all animals. It's not worth the effort. > Breeding does wonders This is a platitude. > I see no difference between an elephant and a pig The one that's gray and weighs maybe 15000 lbs is an elephant. A pig, on the other hand is notably smaller, weighting around 200lbs. It's also pink. Hit me up next time you get confused. > Temple Grandin Lol, I'm passingly familiar with her work. After the revolution, she's going to gulags. Idk why you bring her up tho.

projectorlochsa 9y ago
> It's not worth the effort. That's for capitalism to decide (and those look-the-other-way market agents). > It's also pink. Hit me up next time you get confused. Difference being ethical one, not physical. Giving same moral consideration (no matter how great or small the consideration is) to elephants and pigs would be ethically consistent, yet it's quite clear that consideration isn't equal, due to some flawed/mutated value system of appeals to tradition, popularity and futility. > Lol, I'm passingly familiar with her work. After the revolution, she's going to gulags. Idk why you bring her up tho. A good example of how breeding docile, non-aggressive creatures can result in some seriously mind-blowing complacent, plant-like behavior (we see it in the human gulags too, though, and it's documented quite thoroughly in the history of USSR, docile humans at its finest form).
- adamnemecek 9y ago
  Capitalism can't dictate morals. Killing pigs and killing elephants is in a similar category. But it's kind of about context. Kinda like when you get a little less sad when an ISIS fighter dies compared wiyou a kid who dies of cancer. Idk what the temple Grandin thing is about.
  - projectorlochsa 9y ago
    > Capitalism can't dictate morals. I do agree with that. > Killing pigs and killing elephants is in a similar category. But it's kind of about context. Yeah, the context being that elephants are glorified by the press, while reporting on mistreatment of pigs (or any farm practices) in the USA is considered a criminal act. [0] That's the look-the-other-way market agent from up there. The context is also that mentioned mutated set of values. I don't think the comparison is anywhere close to ISIS. > Idk what the temple Grandin thing is about. Well, no one knew you could manage a milk farm with two people, so saying that elephants can't be domesticated is a bit of a stretch. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag
    - adamnemecek 9y ago
      I agree that they are similarly bad and aggag laws are retarded. It's just that one is already an industry while the other one isn't. I'm in favor of closing the current industry but fundamentally I realize that this will be to go to push through.