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We already have a number of examples in the US to choose. Economic impact is begative and it does not result in increased wages. The Trump crackdown is going to

We already have a number of examples in the US to choose. Economic impact is begative and it does not result in increased wages. The Trump crackdown is going to devastate US farming. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2...

gaius 9y ago
The Trump crackdown is going to devastate US farming. Isn't this kinda on the farmers who built businesses that are only viable with indentured/exploited labour? I mean I am not saying I agree with Trump on this but let's call a spade a spade shall we? Business that pay a market clearing price for workers do not suffer from staff shortages.
- EliRivers 9y ago
  This is true, but economics isn't instant (not that you're saying it is; it's just an interesting thing to think about). If people stick to their guns, a few years down the line we'll either see increased food costs to consumers in the US to cover those higher wages, or we'll see reduced food production in the US and cheaper food being imported from overseas (I suspect it would be the latter if allowed to run, but I suspect also that subsidies and other such things would be created to enable food production to remain in the US with the extra costs Joe Public is paying for it hidden). In the meantime, though, crops will rot, farms will go under, and so on.
  - humanrebar 9y ago
    > economics isn't instant We'd like to think so, but the housing downturn happened pretty quickly. In fact, governments around the world went through a lot of effort to slow "economics" down.
    - EliRivers 9y ago
      Did it? I thought the housing downturn was years in the making. Sure, the moment at which house prices went from increasing to decreasing was a single instant, but that's true of everything that changes from increasing to decreasing.
- rtpg 9y ago
  Unless there's labor shortages. I imagine a lot of people here would never go work as a picker, no matter what the paycheck. Or going back to waiting tables. There's an argument to be made about the heterogenous nature of the job market, including in "unskilled" labor (BS term insofar as I could probably never handle the stress of being a waiter). Granted, I think industry exploits the undocumented nature of some of its work force in practice. But there's a reason seasonal immigrant workers were such a big deal before the border got closed up again.
- bluedino 9y ago
  What did plantation owners do when slavery was abolished?
  - gaius 9y ago
    I don't know - what did they do? I'd imagine some combination of mechanization and paying workers a fair wage.
  - Broken_Hippo 9y ago
    I think some folks just went bankrupt and moved away. Larger plantations were often spit up and sold off, and a few took up a form of sharecropping with former slaves.
  - vbezhenar 9y ago
    They invented mortgage.
  - mark_edward 9y ago
    They reimplemented slavery through share cropping and debt slavery

gaius 9y ago

The Trump crackdown is going to devastate US farming. Isn't this kinda on the farmers who built businesses that are only viable with indentured/exploited labour? I mean I am not saying I agree with Trump on this but let's call a spade a spade shall we? Business that pay a market clearing price for workers do not suffer from staff shortages.

EliRivers 9y ago
This is true, but economics isn't instant (not that you're saying it is; it's just an interesting thing to think about). If people stick to their guns, a few years down the line we'll either see increased food costs to consumers in the US to cover those higher wages, or we'll see reduced food production in the US and cheaper food being imported from overseas (I suspect it would be the latter if allowed to run, but I suspect also that subsidies and other such things would be created to enable food production to remain in the US with the extra costs Joe Public is paying for it hidden). In the meantime, though, crops will rot, farms will go under, and so on.
- humanrebar 9y ago
  > economics isn't instant We'd like to think so, but the housing downturn happened pretty quickly. In fact, governments around the world went through a lot of effort to slow "economics" down.
  - EliRivers 9y ago
    Did it? I thought the housing downturn was years in the making. Sure, the moment at which house prices went from increasing to decreasing was a single instant, but that's true of everything that changes from increasing to decreasing.
rtpg 9y ago
Unless there's labor shortages. I imagine a lot of people here would never go work as a picker, no matter what the paycheck. Or going back to waiting tables. There's an argument to be made about the heterogenous nature of the job market, including in "unskilled" labor (BS term insofar as I could probably never handle the stress of being a waiter). Granted, I think industry exploits the undocumented nature of some of its work force in practice. But there's a reason seasonal immigrant workers were such a big deal before the border got closed up again.
bluedino 9y ago
What did plantation owners do when slavery was abolished?
- gaius 9y ago
  I don't know - what did they do? I'd imagine some combination of mechanization and paying workers a fair wage.
- Broken_Hippo 9y ago
  I think some folks just went bankrupt and moved away. Larger plantations were often spit up and sold off, and a few took up a form of sharecropping with former slaves.
- vbezhenar 9y ago
  They invented mortgage.
- mark_edward 9y ago
  They reimplemented slavery through share cropping and debt slavery